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Former NSA/CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden compares U.S. border policy to Nazi extermination camps

Former NSA/CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden compares U.S. border policy to Nazi extermination camps

The Resistance has lost its mind.

https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/status/1008035777455026178

Have you noticed that in the last few days the issue of children separated from parents arrested while illegally crossing the Mexican border has become the latest anti-Trump fury and obsession. This is not a new issue, but is now dominating the media and social media landscape as so many other issues have filled a slow news cycle void.

The problem of separating children is a problem caused entirely by people crossing the border illegally with their children, which puts U.S. border enforcement in a terrible dilemma of either not enforcing immigration laws or separating families.

Rich Lowry has an excellent explanation of the problem, The Truth about Separating Kids. Read the whole thing, of course, but here’s my short paraphrase:

Under the Obama administration mostly central American families were encourage to illegally cross the border as a family unit and to claim asylum, because that increased the chances they would be released into the U.S. pending an asylum hearing. Many if not most of them never would be heard from again and would remain in the U.S. illegally. The reason this tactic was effective was that the government is barred by law from incarcerating children with arrested parents (makes sense), so to arrest the parent for the misdemeanor of illegally crossing the border (the first time, the second time is a felony) meant the child would be separated from the parent. The Obama answer was to not enforce the immigration laws and to not arrest the parent in most cases.

But it didn’t need to be this way. The parents could have applied for asylum in the first nation (usually Mexico) where it was safe for them to do so, and not risked arrest or separation from children. Crossing the border illegally with your children is a voluntary act which not only puts the children in physical danger, but risks parental arrest and separation.

The Trump administration a couple of months ago changed the practice of not arresting illegally crossing parents. This amounts to a strict enforcement of existing immigration laws. But that has the result of increasing the number of children separated from their arrested parents. Those separations usually are very short term, a few days up to a couple of weeks.

No one should doubt that any separation of a child from a parent, even for a short time, can be traumatic particularly for the child. But the parents and open borders advocates have used the children cynically in an attempt to effectively eliminate border enforcement.

The separated children, along with a vastly larger number of children who were sent across the border illegally by their parents unaccompanied by an adult, are cared for in facilities many of which are run by private humanitarian groups.

Any hope of finding a solution to this problem is lost because the rhetoric has been so infused with anti-Trump derangement that it is inviting Nazi comparisons.

Joe Scarborough went there two days ago, in what coincided with the launch of the anti-Trump campaign on the issue:

The White House is pushing back after MSNBC host Joe Scarborough compared the Trump administration’s border policies to Nazi tactics.

“It is appalling that Joe Scarborough would compare sworn federal law enforcement officers — who put their lives on the line every day to keep American people safe — to Nazis,” read a statement from White House Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley.

On Thursday, Morning Joe host Scarborough repeated a claim that illegal-immigrant parents are being told their children will be taken to go bathe, only for the government to separate their families indefinitely.

“Public defenders, in the federal courts down there in McAllen, Texas reporting that children are being told and their parents are being told that they’re being taken off to the showers. And that they’ll return. And they never return,” Scarborough said. “I know children are being marched away to showers, marched away to showers. Being told they are — just like the Nazis said that they were taking people to the showers and then they never came back.”

“This is Donald Trump’s America. And yes, it sounds like something we would be condemning, coming out of North Korea,” Scarborough said to co-host Mika Brzezinski.

The White House’s statement said Scarborough’s “facts are categorically false.”

In a tweet yesterday that is getting enormous attention and push back, former NSA and CIA Director General Michael Hayden tweeted an image of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Nazi extermination camp with the text: “Other governments have separated mothers and children.”

https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/status/1008035777455026178

This is a hideous and false comparison, yet Hayden is standing by it and laughing off complaints that he has both defamed U.S. border agents and desecrated the memory of the millions of children and adults exterminated by the Nazis at places like Auschwitz-Birkenau.

https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/status/1008108935197462530

The other day I asked If you are active on social media, are you happier now than before social media?

It is a rare experience on Twitter that leaves me feeling better about anything – the world, myself, or others. I’ve described Twitter as a pus pocket. I think I was too charitable. It’s easy to turn disagreement into hatred into fury — just witness how many celebrities and others have gotten themselves into trouble by Twitter outbursts.

I used to respect Michael Hayden, though admittedly I only knew him from TV interviews where he seemed like a reasonable person. But like so many of the anti-Trump deep state and establishment, he has lost his senses if he thinks the situation on the U.S. border warrants a comparison to Nazi death camps.

Of course, Hayden is far from alone in losing his mind.

The thrill of Twitter RT’s and the demands for ever-more-outrageous anti-Trump rhetoric are the fuel that feeds The Resistance fire.

(Some of the tweets below via Twitchy)

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Humphrey's Executor | June 17, 2018 at 10:09 am

Does anyone really think, seriously, that being separated from their “parents” is not an improvement in the quality of these children’s lives?

    casualobserver in reply to Humphrey's Executor. | June 17, 2018 at 10:25 am

    I don’t. What name will you call me?

    I’m not against law enforcement and not on the screeching bandwagon about something that has been going on for years. But I don’t for a second think it is the role of government to decide whicn parents should keep their kids and which shouldn’t except in extreme circumstances.

      healthguyfsu in reply to casualobserver. | June 17, 2018 at 11:20 am

      You’re right…let’s deport them all as a group and be done with it.

      I think most reasonable people would consider making your child homeless deliberately, then taking them on a 1000+ mile journey, during which they are likely to be abused or even raped, with no money, food clothing or shelter only to march them miles across a desert to a place where there is no guarantee they can remain and no expectation they can do so if they are caught “extreme circumstances.”

      If you did that as a citizen of this country Social Services and the police would be on a 50 state manhunt for you.

        casualobserver in reply to Granny. | June 17, 2018 at 1:05 pm

        Yes, that circumstance you describe sounds pretty bad, especially when highlighted with the term “deliberately homeless.” But until you can produce evidence that such description represents even 50% of the separations, it is a similar kind of signalling for virtue that the left practices, but obviously for another virtue – that all immigration policy and enforcement if perfectly designed and executed and moral and whatever else you might believe.

          mailman in reply to casualobserver. | June 17, 2018 at 1:58 pm

          Provide evidence they haven’t voluntarily left their home country deliberately to enter the United States of America illegally.

          InEssence in reply to casualobserver. | June 17, 2018 at 4:23 pm

          It is usually worse than he makes it sound. A significant percentage (I have heard as high as 50%) are killed or kidnapped on their journey through Mexico. Obama should be so proud that he encouraged this with fliers that encouraged these people to make the trip without telling them about the dangers.

          JusticeDelivered in reply to casualobserver. | June 17, 2018 at 7:09 pm

          The burden of proof falls on them to prove that they needed to leave their homes.

casualobserver | June 17, 2018 at 10:23 am

You can tell this is the next in a long line of likely failed issues Dems are using to pin the November election on. The way the media have been shrieking at Trump and Sarah Sanders without even asking questions proves this is the plan.

I think every GOP candidate who has an opponent highlighting this should put immigration near the top of their platform and show how Dems have obstructed almost all legislation of meaning for nearly 2 years.

    rdmdawg in reply to casualobserver. | June 17, 2018 at 1:03 pm

    Ya, this, those daily press briefings are a joke, Trump needs to just end them, and revoke all those “reporter” clowns any kind of official recognition. The ‘Fourth Estate’ has been failing our nation for long enough.

      casualobserver in reply to rdmdawg. | June 17, 2018 at 1:24 pm

      Disagree. Never remove the opportunity for ideologues and the media to show their true colors. Especially as it gets harder to distinguish the two.

      Milhouse in reply to rdmdawg. | June 17, 2018 at 2:16 pm

      Not one in twenty of those who call reporters “the fourth estate” can name the first three.

      Reporting is a trade, not a profession, and a disreputable one at that. Reporters do not have a constitutional role of any kind, and should not be given any special privileges.

        openeyes in reply to Milhouse. | June 18, 2018 at 2:37 pm

        I think calling it a trade is giving it too much credit; it implies an exchange of value between parties.
        It is an occupation, no more.

Enforcing ANY law involves some level of hard choice. Nobody can skirt the immigration laws of the U.S. by the simple expedient of bringing your child along as you cross over our border illegally.

I am a little confused as to why parents need to be separated from children, since both are detained in any case. Is there some sound argument for not simply detaining them together? It would seem a very minor alteration of policy, and take all of the wind out of the sails of the Collective on the issue.

    forksdad in reply to Ragspierre. | June 17, 2018 at 11:05 am

    You absolutely cannot put juveniles who need protection in with adult criminals in any facility. Even visits have to be strictly vetted, planned, and supervised at all times.

    The illegals have to be treated like you would the inmates at a big county jail. Some will be the equivalent of a guy who failed to renew his suspended drivers license, others will be murderers like MS-13 you just don’t know what you have. So you can’t put kids with them.

      Ragspierre in reply to forksdad. | June 17, 2018 at 11:30 am

      “You absolutely cannot put juveniles who need protection in with adult criminals in any facility.”

      Do don’t. How hard is that?

        forksdad in reply to Ragspierre. | June 17, 2018 at 12:02 pm

        So you want anyone crossing the border with anyone claiming to be under 18 released? You either have to separate the kids or let them go. Those are your choices.

          Ragspierre in reply to forksdad. | June 17, 2018 at 12:51 pm

          Do you do “read”?

          What I said was detain. You don’t have to be stupid in who you detain and under what conditions. What would you do?

          forksdad in reply to forksdad. | June 17, 2018 at 3:32 pm

          Don’t you claim to be lawyer? For goodness sakes, you cannot determine which of the illegals are asylum seekers or out and out criminals just by looking.

          You need to investigate. While you investigate you cannot keep adults and children together. You cannot ‘detain’ people together even if they arrived together. Just like you can’t keep kids and adults together while they are being ‘detained’ in jail. Unless and until they are determined to be legitimate asylum seekers and not otherwise criminals you can’t even think about keeping them with kids.

          After you’ve determined the adults are no danger to the children they are with and that they have a right to be with those children then you could possibly ‘detain’ them together while you wait until the rest of the process is finished. But wait, now you have families or at least discreet groups of adults and children mixed.

          Just like you cannot mix adults with children because you are responsible for people while you detain them, you cannot let the different ‘families’ mix. At all.

          So now you have just created the most expensive and ungainly facility in the history of detention in the entire world. Hundreds of thousands every year and your going to house them in the equivalent of a high security apartment where you not only have to monitor entry and exit but the residents at all times.

          You cannot even imagine the costs. For the negligible benefit of possible criminal illegal aliens and perhaps the children they are responsible for or perhaps the children they are bringing into the states for sex trafficking.

          Ragspierre in reply to forksdad. | June 17, 2018 at 3:45 pm

          Yeah, I am a lawyer who practices in family law in part.

          I talk to people, including kids.

          What’s so difficult about all this?

          forksdad in reply to forksdad. | June 17, 2018 at 3:58 pm

          What part of you cannot keep kids together with adults until the investigation has been done do you not get?

          Tell me how you know who is a sex trafficker, a criminal, a non-relative of the kids or just a pervert coyote who was getting some on the side just by looking.

          If they become refugees, and it’s been determined whose kids they are then you can put them together in the same facility. Until then no.

      Anonamom in reply to forksdad. | June 17, 2018 at 2:57 pm

      Exactly right, forksdad. The Feds (and each and every state) have specific standards for juvenile detention. Separating the children from the adults is necessary to comply with legions of laws and regulations.

    Maybe it is sound policy? But, the courts have ruled it cannot be so. Congress has to weigh in, or Trump has to violate his oath of office.

    Holding an unaccompanied child for more than 20 days and holding an accompanied child for longer than 20 days in humane conditions with his/ her parents do not seem to be identical. But, the courts have ruled otherwise. Where does that leave us, except demanding Congress sort it out? (That or petitioning the non-existent King.)

    Milhouse in reply to Ragspierre. | June 17, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    The primary reason they can’t be housed together is the Flores consent decree, under which the USA agreed not to detain children for more than 20 days. So the children are not being detained, they’re being placed with private people or in private facilities.

    It seems to me that governments (at all levels) ought not to be bound by decrees consented to by their predecessors. I believe any government should be able to simply inform the relevant court that it withdraws its consent and will no longer be bound by the decree, and will ignore any attempt by the court to enforce it.

    (That last part wouldn’t work so well for local governments, but state governments, and certainly the US government, could make it stick. Just tell the court we do not recognize your authority to enforce this order, and though you can issue injunctions till you’re blue in the face you can’t enforce them without our help, which we will not provide.)

    A secondary reason is that there aren’t enough facilities to hold all the families who would need holding were Flores no longer in force.

      You’re highly intelligent. I will not, under any circumstances, just blithely assume you are counseling ignoring Flores v. Sessions by the 9th Circuit and operating in complete open violation of the judiciary branch. If you want to make that case, actually make it. Apparently Congress passed two laws since the original consent decree and the courts have not particularly cared. This complicates my urging a congressional solution, I admit. But, the consent decree has been overtaken by a judgment against the Attorney General. Well? Is Trump supposed to just ignore it as if he’s President Obama or King Richard the Lionheart?

        Milhouse in reply to JBourque. | June 17, 2018 at 3:09 pm

        I am advocating all governments, at all levels, withdrawing their predecessors’ consent to decrees they would never have consented to, and making it stick. Consent decrees have crippled NYC, for instance.

          randian in reply to Milhouse. | June 17, 2018 at 3:40 pm

          Withdrawing from all those fraudulent EPA consent decrees would be a good thing.

          …But the problem here isn’t a consent decree anymore, it’s an adverse judgment. Let me be clear, I want a solution too, but giving the judiciary a rude gesture may not be it.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | June 18, 2018 at 9:30 am

          There was no judgment on the merits. The decision was simply that the consent decree remains in effect, and was not rendered moot by the two laws that Congress made since then. This decision was wrong in itself, but more importantly I believe any administration since 2001 has had the right and duty, if it disagrees with the decree, to withdraw its consent. I do not accept that the Clinton administration had the right to bind its successors by consenting to a decree that, in those successors’ opinion, was not required by the law.

        txvet2 in reply to JBourque. | June 17, 2018 at 7:34 pm

        Well, you’re probably right, but on the other hand, you have to admit that the courts have been ignoring (or assuming the constitutional prerogatives of) Congress and the executive branch for decades. Turn about may be past due.

      forksdad in reply to Milhouse. | June 17, 2018 at 3:38 pm

      Just so. There is a reason we have three branches of government and not a band of black robed tyrants we have to bow to.

    Anti-Statist in reply to Ragspierre. | June 19, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    From the NY Times- “Some migrants have admitted they brought their children not only to remove them from danger in such places as Central America and Africa, but because they believed it would cause the authorities to release them from custody sooner.

    Others have admitted to posing falsely with children who are not their own, and Border Patrol officials say that such instances of fraud are increasing.”

    They’re exploiting your compassion to enter illegally, and does America need people willing to do that? I say no.

Wait. Trump is . . . gassing children?! The inhumanity!

Many of the people claiming to be the “parents” of the kids illegally crossing the border are not their parents at all. They are cartel members, or human smugglers, or child sex traffickers, posing as parents.

So yes, by all means let’s just leave these vulnerable kids in the company of the adults who are exploiting them. That’s so much kinder than taking them to a secure, air-conditioned facility where they will be safe, well fed, and given games and toys and other kids to play with, until the authorities are able to determine where they can be safely placed.

Or how about the foreign parents who are already living illegally in the U.S., and who send for their kids to cross the border illegally and join them here? The left was whining just the other day about an 11-year old boy who was “separated” from his family at the border. But it turned out that it was the family itself who had done the separating (which is true in many of these cases). The boy’s mother already lived illegally in Virginia, and she had instructed him to come to the U.S. with his cousins via an illegal border crossing. The cousins had ditched the kid along the way, and he ended up at the border alone. What kind of “loving” parent would put an 11-year old child in that kind of circumstance? The southern U.S. border is controlled by drug cartels. It is incredibly dangerous. And even if the kid manages to dodge the criminals, the desert is full of rattlesnakes, scorpions, bobcats, and other wild animals, not to mention the 100+ degree temperatures and lack of water. But sure, it makes much more sense to take a kid who survives such danger and immediately turn him over to the parent who willingly exposed him to kidnapping, rape, torture, and death, rather than taking him to a safe facility. Because we’re Nazis if we don’t!

Of all the idiotic lefty memes circulating on social media, this one is one of the stupidest and most ignorant ever.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | June 17, 2018 at 10:55 am

I’m sure as CIA Director Hayden oversaw many propaganda campaigns against foreign governments he viewed as an enemy. Here he’s engaging in a propaganda campaign against the US government.

None of these tweets acknowledge the widespread asylum fraud being committed against American taxpayers. Asylum claims have increased 10 fold since 2009.

https://cis.org/Report/Border-Asylum-Claims-Tenfold-2009

Yeah. and if people stopped using Drugs we wouldn’t have to send them to prison.

Look, we understood we couldn’t make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue…that we couldn’t resist it.” – John Ehrlichman, White House counsel to President Nixon on the rationale of the War on Drugs.

Latest deflection. Jesus, the swamp is deep & wide.

Another Voice | June 17, 2018 at 11:40 am

“But the parents and open borders advocates have used the children cynically in an attempt to effectively eliminate border enforcement.”

Anytime you’ve a coalition of people advocating focusing on “it’s not us, it’s for the children” as the basis for a policy which ends up being a self-serving platform giving them a door to get what their real intent is..policy and benefits which are really about their ability to attain more for themselves whether it is their employment opportunities or entitlements. (in this application it’s winning an election)
Organized unions as are all the Teacher Unions, esp. in NY State, have negotiated from this starting point for the last 40 years. Which explains why NY State’s cost of education is the highest in per student cost..$22,400 while the standards are continuing to be lowered to the lowest bar for reporting best outcomes.

So now children have been reduced to convenient “get out of jail” cards.

I see. So add “child abuse” to the list of crimes the D’rats defend and support … as long as the abuse is committed by the “right” people.

The “horror of separating children from their incarcerated parents” is nothing more than an emotional scam. It is designed for no other reason than to put pressure on the government to release all illegal immigrants, who arrive with children, into the general population. Does any one here really think, for a second, that the same people who are whining about separate housing for the children of incarcerated adults would not be screaming about making these children share their “parent’s” cell?

Also, it has been common practice all over the world for the last 300 years to NOT house children with their parents who are under arrest or in prison. There are hundreds of thousands of children who are not housed with their parents who are serving jail time, either under arrest or conviction. Yet, we do not here a single peep from Morning Schmoe about that.

People have learn to turn off their emotions and use their brains. This country does not have the resources to set up family detention facilities which resemble upscale apartment complexes. It is also a terrible idea to place them in existing adult detention units. This places the juveniles at risk from adult criminals.

The bottom line to all of this is that the illegal immigrants know that they are entering the US illegally. They know that they are violating the law. And, if you take your minor child with you when committing a criminal offense, just about every state in the union will probably remove that child from your custody. This is just another scam to gin up sympathy for law breakers in an attempt to force the federal government to suspend enforcing immigration laws and simply letting illegal immigrants run loose in the country.

    Milhouse in reply to Mac45. | June 17, 2018 at 1:46 pm

    Also, it has been common practice all over the world for the last 300 years to NOT house children with their parents who are under arrest or in prison.

    Not all over the world. There are countries where it’s taken for granted that when a woman is imprisoned she takes her younger children with her, especially if there’s nobody to care for them at home.

      Mac45 in reply to Milhouse. | June 17, 2018 at 4:00 pm

      Some such counties exist. However, they do not include any of the 1st world countries and very few of the 2nd world countries. We also have countries where slaver is still legal.

        Milhouse in reply to Mac45. | June 18, 2018 at 1:53 am

        Bulldust. Look at the list. Many first-world countries have such laws.

          Mac45 in reply to Milhouse. | June 18, 2018 at 11:14 am

          There are 195 recognized countries in the world. There are 96 countries which allow women to have custody of very minor children while incarcerated. Virtually all of these countries only allow children to be kept with female parents after sentencing to prison, limit the age of the child housed to seven years [most limit to 3 years or less] and provide special prisons for that purpose. Of the very few first world countries which allow this practice, virtually all of them only allow it while the child is an infant and under the age of one year and special permission is required.

You know who else separates children from parents? Police, every damn day. You want to put kids in county jail? This is such a non issue it is moronic.

If the parents cared about the kids or were really refugees they’d stop in Mexico and apply for asylum there.

goddessoftheclassroom | June 17, 2018 at 12:24 pm

1. Families did not choose to get on those trains. They were forced at the point of a gun (and they didn’t have guns themselves.)
2. Mothers and children under sixteen or so were sent together to the gas chambers.

If the opponents of the current American border policy had not gone out of their way to say, “No, this is not the law,” I could understand. However, that’s exactly what they did. Yes, it is the law, and Democrats and the 9th Circuit made it so. The smarter spin doctors have moved on to “But it was the Trump administration’s cruel evil decision to enforce the law”. That is progress.

That said, a position that anything but pure anarchy is the equivalent of Auschwitz is a bit hard to take. Please, just negotiate a deal like civilized people. Pass a new law. Come up with a policy we can grudgingly agree on that is the least worst outcome.

    Mac45 in reply to JBourque. | June 17, 2018 at 12:42 pm

    “Please, just negotiate a deal like civilized people. Pass a new law. Come up with a policy we can grudgingly agree on that is the least worst outcome.”

    Negotiate what, exactly? The majority of the citizens of the United States not only want strict immigration policies, they want STRICTER immigration policies. The Establishment in this country wants unfettered immigration, preferably illegal immigration. As most of the Congress is controlled by the Establishment, why has it steadfastly refused to weaken or even change the existing immigration laws? Simple; the members of Congress know that it would be hugely unpopular with the voters.

      It’s a hard question. I’m not rushing to dictate to others what I think the outcome should be. The courts have taken a stance as follows: The immigration court system is too clogged, you can’t get children a court hearing within 20 days? Too bad. Let the children go. You want to detain their parents as they fight for refugee status? Too bad. Let the children go.

      Trump is on #2. Cue the cries of fascism and heresy against the Christian religion.

      Obviously the ideal thing is to either let them in through the front door, or send them out, in as short a time period as possible. Today, that is not realistic. Naturally, given these incentives, migrant activists have urged the flooding of the border and a 20x increase in refugee claims, justified or not. I don’t know where we go from here, but screaming at each other is a poor way to get anywhere good.

        Mac45 in reply to JBourque. | June 17, 2018 at 4:15 pm

        If you want to change the law, then the changes should make it easier to simply deport people or turn them away at the border. When the US takes custody of an adult, it also assumes responsibility for that person’s minor children, if they are in that person’s custody. We do not leave minor children to fend for themselves, if their guardian gets arrested and jailed. The children are usually placed with a responsible family member, but they are often held in secure housing facilities until this can be accomplished or until the child can be placed in state controlled housing.

        Asylum seeking is the biggest scam in the world. Under UN guidelines, the US should only be required to accept refugees from Mexico or Canada, who arrive at our borders. Neither country is responsible for terrorizing Hondurans, Guatemalans or Costa Ricans. Mexico should be a safe haven for those seeking asylum. Instead they end up on the US border attempting to enter. If they are not Mexican, then their claims of asylum should not be entertained. We had a similar problem back in the 1980s and 90s with Haitian immigrants. The answer was to interdict them before they entered the US and return them to Haiti. People screamed about that as well. But, very few of these repatriated Haitians suffered untoward repression upon their return.

        This whole thing is a scam to gain unfettered entry into the US.

          Even if you set the radical no-borders activists aside, it’s still a horrible mess. I’ve made the point Trump can’t just ignore the judiciary on a whim if he wants to respect the rule of law. (It’s not wartime.) The horrible mess makes a mockery of all the legal assumptions. Ergo, the horrible mess needs solving no matter which direction we go in.

          Clearly, Sessions wants to both raise the manpower while sending a message he hopes will result in a reduction in claims. It doesn’t feel like enough.

          Mac45 in reply to Mac45. | June 17, 2018 at 10:24 pm

          So, what is your answer to the fact that millions of people are already trespassing in out house and that thousands more show up every year and claim a right to be allowed in? Should we simply allow them in? Should we spend hundreds of millions or billions of dollars building them communities were they can live like kings?

          In 1986, Reagan and the Congress granted amnesty to 3.2 million illegal immigrants. The American voter was promised that this would end the illegal immigration problem. Now with between 13 and 20 million illegal aliens residing in the country, those same voters have been quietly demanding that the existing laws be strictly enforced, that illegal aliens be detained and deported and that comprehensive immigration reform close the existing loopholes in US immigration law. And, they want a wall built to keep trespassers out of the country. This “mess” exists because the government, the Establishment, the media and assorted short-sighted do-gooders actively refuse to allow the laws to be enforced.

“Crossing the border illegally with your children is a voluntary act [which has consequences most of which are adverse].” You mad the choice, but the child suffers the consequence.

Why are political conversations almost always 1 or 2 steps away from a comparison to the Nazis?

    casualobserver in reply to broomhandle. | June 17, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    For the exact same reason that most political thought and action is branded racist, when it doesn’t follow the progressive platform.

    Both sides have used terms to describe the “other” in ways that make them so heinous there is no room for discussion.

This feels like a coordinated media play to help set the stage for the fall elections. It feels organized.

been to dachau.
seen the Arbeit macht frei sign.
no comparison.

This is why there needs to be emigration reform and an end to social justice adventures including elective regimes changes, mass abortion fields, redistributive change, and anti-native policies, that are first-order forcings of catastrophic anthropogenic immigration reform.

That said, the closest analogue to extermination camps is Planned Parenthood et al, where select boys and girls, life that is deemed unworthy, inconvenient, or profitable, are either aborted or recycled for social progress and corporate profits.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 17, 2018 at 1:38 pm

EX general Hayden from HADES…………

“A mind is a terrible thing to lose. Or not to have in the first place.”

Everything the left whines about is always about emotion.

If they TRULY cared about illegal immigrants they would be agitating for the home countries of these illegal immigrants to sort their shit countries out so they are safe for the people who are fleeing in the first place.

The reality though is the left actually doesn’t give a rats fuck about the health, wellbeing and safety of illegal immigrants. All the left really cares about is how much use they can get out of them for their own political ends.

Criminals are separated every day form their children. It’s called jail or prison. The Liberals don’t seem to mind. In fact in some jurisdictions liberals criminalize poverty. That $150.00 red light citation soon becomes $500 dollars with penalties and interest and jail time for driving while suspended.

The left must stop criminalizing poverty.

    Liberty Bell in reply to dystopia. | June 17, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    Stop criminalizing poverty would be an interesting campaign meme for the Republicans to make headway in Democrat controlled cities.

LukeHandCool | June 17, 2018 at 2:52 pm

This is analogous to the insane, ubiquitous “Trump is Hitler” analogy.

So Trump is a ruthless dictator.

But an actor can go on TV and say “Fu*k Trump!” and get a standing ovation.

Imagine a German citizen way back then shouting in a public square or on the radio, “Fu*k Hitler!”

How long until he’d have been grabbed and tortured to death?

The Left lost its collective mind some time ago. We’re seeing successive iterations of self-parody. It used to be somewhat amusing. Now it’s just disturbing.

    forksdad in reply to LukeHandCool. | June 17, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    If they really thought Trump was Hitler the NRA were gun toting maniacs or Christians were out to get anyone they would arm themselves (remember this is America where adults can legally possess firearms) them hightail it for the nearest border and seek asylum in Canada or Mexico. They would never criticize anyone in power or rightwing groups. They would fear them like rational people fear AQ or ‘lone wolf Muslim terrorists’. They would refuse to depict desecration of Christian icons or Holy symbols. They would depict Christians and right wing folks in glowing and laudable terms in all the media in the hopes that others would A. Believe those groups are good and not antagonize them and B. Not antagonize the scary groups.

    Instead they do everything possible in their power to antagonize the Right or Christians or anybody they don’t like.

    It’s almost as if they were dishonest about their rhetoric.

Will Hayden apologize to Jews he has demeaned?

The left is absolutely batshit insane. People who put their children at risk to travel, sometimes thousands of miles ,with the end goal of violating the laws of this country by entering illegally aren’t even remotely the same as citizens of a country being rounded up for extermination. In this case, the aliens put their children at risk for better wages, free schools and free medical care for their children, something that is provided by taxpayers for citizens and legal residents, not every person in the world. Low wages and crappy schools isn’t political persecution and the vast majority aren’t eligible for asylum. They just want a better life at our expense. So yeah, the left wants to make a big deal out of the rule of law… let them. And let them keep shrieking that detaining illegal aliens who violate the law to enter this country is the same thing as gassing Jews in Germany. It just makes them look shrill, hysterical and incapable of living in reality.

According to the left every child taken into custody is “RIPPED FROM THE ARMS” of a parent. To understand this phenomenon I suggest reading A Disease of the Public Mind, a book detailing the run up to the US Civil War.

By the time John Brown hung from the gallows for his crimes at Harper’s Ferry, Northern abolitionists had made him a “holy martyr” in their campaign against Southern slave owners. This Northern hatred for Southerners long predated their objections to slavery. They were convinced that New England, whose spokesmen had begun the American Revolution, should have been the leader of the new nation. Instead, they had been displaced by Southern “slavocrats” like Thomas Jefferson. This malevolent envy exacerbated the South’s greatest fear: a race war. Jefferson’s cry, “We are truly to be pitied,” summed up their dread. For decades, extremists in both regions flung insults and threats, creating intractable enmities. By 1861, only a civil war that would kill a million men could save the Union.”

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15843161-a-disease-in-the-public-mind

Since he’s given to over-the-top hyperbole and the documented abuses of both the CIA and NSA, I guess it’s fair to call Hayden the modern version of Reinhard Heydrich.

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