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Russian lawyer meeting with Fusion GPS before/after Don Jr. mtg probably just *coincidence*

Russian lawyer meeting with Fusion GPS before/after Don Jr. mtg probably just *coincidence*

Nothing is as it seems.

Remember the meeting Donald Trump, Jr. had with the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya? The meeting that Veselnitskaya arranged on the promise of dirt on Hillary Clinton, but which appears to have been just a means of lobbying Trump on the Magnitsky Act. The leak about the meeting set off several news cycles of speculation.

It turned out she had a connection to the firm, Fusion GPS, doing oppo research for the Clinton campaign. That put the meeting in an odd light, but it wasn’t clear whether this was a Fusion GPS operation.

When I covered it on July 13, 2017, I cautioned:

If there’s anything I learned from studying about and in the Soviet Union during college, it was that things were never as they seemed.

There always seemed to be a manipulation and deception, whether for a specific purpose or just because they could. Kind of like the Clintons.

I also expressed my skepticism during an interview with Bill Tucker on Newsmax:

“I don’t think we need to go full conspiracy theory, but there’s something very unusual about this whole thing….

Something’s very strange here. And then she arranges a meeting with the inner circle, or through somebody the inner circle of the Trump campaign. Something is just not sitting right here. And then it turns out that she may have some connection to oppo researchers for the Clinton campaign or the Democrats who were trying to get dirt on Trump. Something just doesn’t seem right here, and I think it’s worth asking a lot of questions because this doesn’t just happen.

Somebody with her connections doesn’t just happen to show up at the doorstep of the campaign of one of the two major parties, who just secured enough delegates to win the nomination. It’s just very, very strange, and given her background and given what DOJ knew about her, something’s not adding up here.”

Fusian GPS, it’s been revealed since those initial reports, was paid by the Clinton campaign and DNC for its work on the infamous Dossier.

Now there’s more that doesn’t add up. Veselnitskaya not only had a Fusion GPS connection, she met with Fusion GPS before and after the Don Jr. meeting, as Catherine Herridge and others at Fox News report, Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down:

The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned. The contacts shed new light on how closely tied the firm was to Russian interests, at a time when it was financing research to discredit then-candidate Donald Trump….

The June 2016 Trump Tower meeting involving Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya occurred during a critical period. At that time, Fox News has learned that bank records show Fusion GPS was paid by a law firm for work on behalf of a Kremlin-linked oligarch while paying a former British spy Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump through his Russian contacts.

But hours before the Trump Tower meeting on June 9, 2016, Fusion co-founder and ex-Wall Street Journal reporter Glenn Simpson was with Veselnitskaya in a Manhattan federal courtroom, a confidential source told Fox News. Court records reviewed by Fox News, email correspondence and published reports corroborate the pair’s presence together. The source told Fox News they also were together after the Trump Tower meeting.

See, when it comes to that meeting, nothing was as it seemed. I think Tom Fitton at Judicial Watch is onto something:

Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down. Was it a set-up by Clinton gang?


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It appears the Clintons tried to rig this election like they did the primary.

I am throwing the BullShit Flag.

Fifteen yards for illegal procedure.

The big uproar about the election loss for Clinton is that the Dems/Progs cannot believe the smartest woman in the world lost a rigged election. They have been beside themselves since the result was official. Nearly complete denial. Too bad.

Can you say “RICO”?, sure I knew you could….

    Yes, but see Paul in Sweden, below. Not an attorney so know nothing of the ins and outs of the RICO law, but the continuing presence of Mueller and Rosenstein, and therefor Sessions, seem the biggest obstacles to ever moving forward with a serious investigation of Clinton-DNC and undermining of the US government while Clinton was Secretary of State, and beyond. It’s too bad. I believe Trump’s appointment of Sessions to the DoJ job was an honest attempt at getting a good man in the DoJ to clean it out but he, Sessions, has been overwhelmed by his long term connections with and feelings for the swamp and its dwellers. Ridding us of all three, and they should go, would release a political firestorm and require a thick-skinned, complete outsider as a replacement.

This situation will only get more and more interesting as time goes on.

This whole Russian Collusion narrative is the biggest strategic miscalculation in modern history. It is the poster child for unintended consequences.

The Dems, especially the Obama Administration Was neck deep in Russian collusion. and, much of it was potentially criminal. So, thinking that they have the Washington Establishment locked down and are, therefor, insulated, they use their Russian contacts to attack Trump and his administration. Unfortunately, they miscalculated in power of the non-establishment media, both professional and amateur. Now THEIR Russian collusion stories are on fire and in danger of exploding.

Unfortunately, the Dems, Obama administration officials and other power brokers in Washington are in an untenable position. They have to continue their attacks on Trump. And, they will have to ratchet up their use of their Antifa allies. Lookout, people. The excrement is about to impact the rotary oscillator. And, we are all going to get splattered.

So, what’s the scenario here?

Fusion tries to bait Candidate Trump into doing something rash (what?), and so arranges a meeting with an agent (Veselnitskaya) who is coached at the last minute by Simpson. But Candidate Trump isn’t at the meeting, and there’s no point in springing the trap on lesser targets, so instead Veselnitskaya fills the time by talking about something of no great interest to anybody, then leaves and explains the plan’s failure when debriefed by Simpson immediately afterwards.

Is that it? If so, I can’t think of what the trap Veselnitskaya was supposed to spring might be. Just offering dirt on another candidate doesn’t seem like a big deal, even if it was all obvious fabrication. All very odd.

    They wanted to get him to offer a favor (say, scuttle the Magnitsky act) but solicit the dirt alluded to in the email, thus setting up a quid pro quo and, thus collusion!

      … and then use that as leverage against him once he was elected… No, that’s not very credible. Nobody really expected him to be elected, other than Trump. More likely to be used as the October Surprise that the Dems like to trot out every four years.

      Tom Servo in reply to donb. | November 8, 2017 at 9:00 am

      I agree mostly with this scenario, although I suspect that the Fusion/Russian agents thought Don Jr. might even bite at the reports of dem donors acting up in Russia – but he didn’t. When Don Jr. scoffed at that offer and said “so what?” they apparently had no back up plan at all, and it broke up. For all of their nefarious activity, the Fusioneers don’t appear to have been very smart about anything they did; their stuff only worked when it was rumor and innuendo, and as soon as anything they worked on is exposed to the light of day, it collapses.

      I recall Manafort was at that meeting as well, and although a lot of Trump supporters are reflexively sympathetic to Manafort, I have a strong suspicion that he may have stayed in touch with the Podesta’s even while he was on Trump’s staff, and could easily have been playing both sides off against each other for his own profit. Manafort looks like he’s got a long history of doing exactly that.

      Matt_SE in reply to donb. | November 8, 2017 at 10:07 am

      “They wanted to get him to offer a favor (say, scuttle the Magnitsky act) but solicit the dirt alluded to in the email, thus setting up a quid pro quo and, thus collusion!”

      The problem with your theory is that Fusion (through Veselnitskaya) never had a quo to exchange for a Trump/Trump Jr. quid, so there was never going to be any entrapment along those lines.
      Remember that Hillary hired Fusion; there’s no reason they would dish dirt on their client to set up a honey trap if it could possibly backfire.
      They lied to Trump Jr. about the nature of the meeting in order to get him into the room. As soon as Jr. found out they had no information and had lied to him, he left.

      No, the trap here was more subtle:
      Fusion knew that Veselnitskaya and others had Russian ties (how could they not know this?!), so they smeared Trump Jr. by association with their own people!

      This is just the sort of world-class hypocrisy and cynicism that Fusion GPS is known for.

Paul In Sweden | November 8, 2017 at 1:27 am

Sessions has recused himself from cleaning the SWAMP and his second in command Rosenstein along with his Special Prosecutor appointee Mueller are both stained with the Uranium One Clinton Foundation Cover-Up and Scandal from back when Mueller was the FBI boss and Rosenstein was his henchman.

So who in law enforcement can be trusted to objectively investigate this establishment swamp?

With a self-neutered AG Sessions there are only swamp creatures charged with cleaning the swamp. The only way I can see a way out is a big mid-term win followed by turning gelding Sessions out to pasture.

    I think you are wrong about AG Sessions. I spoke to someone who actually knew him outside of the political arena and that conversation left me with the impression that he has been sorely misread. Not that it matters, but I haven’t given up.

      scooterjay in reply to amwick. | November 8, 2017 at 5:55 am

      Okay, then……name some names and let’s get to the bottom of all this. Sessions sure isn’t!
      Actions speak louder than words and we have had nearly one year of inactivity from the AG.
      Reminds me of Gowdy, all bark and no bite.

      Paul In Sweden in reply to amwick. | November 8, 2017 at 6:42 am

      While I believe Sessions is a decent man it is apparent that he is not interested in doing what is required as Attorney General. That would entail being confident in his uncompromised character, position & standing so that he could show backbone and be able to stand up to the wrath of the media or partisans on both sides of the aisle. This has been the problem for decades with the GOPe where Conservative means conserving ones seat in congress, make slight waves to keep being noticed but NEVER leaving a wake to be scorned by the media. In doing so we have seen GOP establishment passing legislation that has no GOP or Conservative foundation with few exceptions, ObamaCare would be one.

      Trump had a mandate to fill Scalia’s Supreme Court seat – Neil McGill Gorsuch having already been confirmed unanimously by the Senate with a non-controversial record was a safe bet for confirmation but in the present atmosphere that was even problematic. That got done, good, I am happy and I can justify my vote for Trump on that alone.

      Sessions as a longtime prominent senator was also a safe bet for confirmation. It would have been better to have someone with teeth and claws like Rudy Giuliani but he has too much baggage and would never be confirmed with the slim GOP majority. With the mandate given to the POTUS of draining the SWAMP, Sessions recusal of all things Russian and seemingly all things Clinton reduced him from being a functioning AG to a bench-warmer for an actual AG. Sessions cannot even see fit to have tossed Comey out on his ear and allowed Rosenstein & Mueller to preside over investigating what they are clearly themselves embroiled.

      Maybe if McConell had the Balls to stuff the Harry Reid Nuke Option down the throats of the dems, Sessions would not have needlessly recused himself. I don’t think so, when he was in the senate I felt he had splinters up his butt sitting on the fence with his middle of the road approach.

      Sessions has warmed the bench already. Mid-terms come and we should see Sessions and McConnell replaced by people that can actually do the jobs they were suppose to do. I hope!

      Matt_SE in reply to amwick. | November 8, 2017 at 10:14 am

      “I think you are wrong about AG Sessions. I spoke to someone who actually knew him outside of the political arena and that conversation left me with the impression that he has been sorely misread. Not that it matters, but I haven’t given up.”

      Your inside sources are worthless, because they’re essentially asking us to believe them instead of our own lying eyes.
      Did I imagine Sessions recusing himself, thereby setting this chain of events in motion?
      Could he not see the consequences of recusing himself?

      Sessions is either incompetent or corrupt, and I don’t really care which is true (nobody can ever be sure of intent). I find talk of double-secret counterintel ops to usually be ass-covering bullshit, coming from people who can’t handle that they got swindled. So I seriously doubt Sessions is setting up a long con, either.

      This situation is exactly what it looks like.

2nd Ammendment Mother | November 8, 2017 at 10:03 am

And then there is Kislyac who met with Obama in the Oval Office 23 times during the election – and the Obama White House who set up the meetings between Sessions and Kislyac….. nope, no connections