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Morning Joe to Aides Who Counseled Trump’s Combativeness: ‘You’re a Disgrace, Leave Today’

Morning Joe to Aides Who Counseled Trump’s Combativeness: ‘You’re a Disgrace, Leave Today’

Out. Goodbye. Done. Sneak out the back door of the White House today.

An extraordinary first half-hour of Morning Joe today. The thesis was that President Trump had gotten off on a seriously bad foot by failing to look back at history in his inauguration speech, sending a first and ungracious tweet about the Women’s Marches, sending Sean Spicer out to berate the press over crowd-size reporting, and above all for a self-referential, boastful, angry speech, referencing crowd size, given while standing in front of the wall of fallen heroes at the CIA.

And the message, delivered repeatedly and in the starkest terms, by Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, was that those aides who abetted President Trump, who counseled him to adopt a combative tone, should be fired and leave immediately. View the video to see the myriad ways in which Joe and Mika pummeled the presidential aides who did not advise President Trump to moderate his remarks.

Note: Joe and Mika never identified the aides they thought should be fired for having counseled President Trump to be combative. But the New York Times article that Joe cited stated that “Kellyanne Conway . . . contributed to the combative mood” and that Sean Spicer “advocated an opening-day declaration of war.”

This Insurrectionist’s view: President Trump, without backing down an inch on substance, would have been better advised to take a more conciliatory tone, and certainly not to have used the CIA speech to boast about crowd size and berate the media.

But even if Conway and Spicer in some way egged the president on, they have been invaluable members of the team. I believe President Trump would not have won the election but for Conway’s contributions. And Spicer has been a very able and articulate spokesman. If they made mistakes, let them learn from them. I think it would be a huge mistake to cut them loose.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: A lot of aides fighting each other and some aides actually, believe it or not, goading Donald Trump along. Those aides should be fired today for the good of America.

. . .

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: It is show time.

JOE: It’s show time.

MIKA: It’s show time.

JOE: You know what?

MIKA: The show has begun really badly. Whoever didn’t write or should have written or should have edited that speech should go today. Out. Good-bye. Done. And whoever did not coordinate the CIA event correctly should go today.

JOE: Should be fired.

MIKA: Out. Done. It’s show time and nobody can afford this.

JOE: Whoever was encouraging him, goading him to keep fighting about the size of the crowds, as the New York Times reports.

MIKA: Or whoever didn’t back down.

JOE: Should be fired today for the sake of America . . .

JOE: — talks about advisers fighting on the inside. And, again, to those advisers telling him to restrain, we thank you. For the sake of America, we thank you. For those advisers that were telling him to be combative on his first day. We ask you to leave now for the sake of this country . . . You are a disgrace. Leave the White House right now.

. . .

JOE: Let me explain to people working for Donald Trump. You, writing a speech for your boss, without mentioning history, without alluding to the past, without — talking about this as part of an unbroken chain of events going back over 240 years, that is like going to a Christmas Eve service where the priest forgets to talk about Baby Jesus . . . If you believe for one second you didn’t do that during this speech and stopped a lot of people from actually looking how radical and revolutionary this speech is, then you’re a fool. And again, I say: sneak out the back door of the White House today.

MIKA: Hurry.

JOE: Because you are not up to the task of this job.


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Joe Scarborough is pathetic. I’ve had dealings with him personally as our Congressman back in the day and he’s nothing more than a self-aggrandizing liar. I have no respect for anything he has to say. His advice is less than worthless.

    Tom Servo in reply to Whiskey Bravo. | January 23, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    Some Presidents have been dominated and overshadowed by their advisors, for good and for ill; I put both Bushes in that category.

    I do not see Trump as being that kind of President. For Scarborough to think that anyone could stop Trump from being Trump is ludicrous. As far as what was in Trump’s speech – this is what Trump has been saying at every rally for about a year now. Why would you have thought he would change? Why would you have thought anyone should try to make him change? This is Who He Is.

Kellyanne Conway has made a name for herself already, and it’s sad.

“Alternative facts” will now follow her wherever she goes. Living in the spotlight is unforgiving.

Same ol’ bullshit from different bullshitters.

Yea, team…

    Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 23, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    So, it’s apparent it isn’t being lied to you down-thumbers find offensive.

    You’ll suck it like its your job if it comes from your Little Yellow God.


      4th armored div in reply to Ragspierre. | January 23, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      Rags – i was in favor of Cruz and had my doubts about Trump,
      But The Donald has done nothing to make me sad about him rather than the KlintonKrimeFamily being in charge of the US of A.

      You don’t like or trust DJT, I get it, but do you, in your heart of hearts, believe that 4 years under Madame Pantsuit would be better ?

        MarkSmith in reply to 4th armored div. | January 23, 2017 at 3:56 pm

        Look at his old post. He has been pushing collectivism BS since 2009. It is not about Trump but the little war in his head. His tactics have not changed, if he does not agree with you, you are some form of liar.

        Funny thing about the Trump team is Trump speaking in hyperbole. The press still has not gotten it like most of us have.

        It is entertaining to see the reactions. Maybe someday they will understand Yuge.

          Ragspierre in reply to MarkSmith. | January 23, 2017 at 5:37 pm

          Well, some of that’s perfectly true.

          I am an enemy of Collectivism in all its forms. You, not so much. And, yeah, I’ve been that for many decades now.

          But your are a liar, as often demonstrated here, and I have regular disagreements with people…even ALL of the authors here…who I never correctly label liars because they simply are not.

          You are.

          MarkSmith in reply to MarkSmith. | January 23, 2017 at 10:17 pm

          Too Funny, the master of projecting. You make Liberals jealous. Oh that’s right, that is a lie…Ha.

      Another Voice in reply to Ragspierre. | January 23, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      You really are going to have a miserable time hanging out here for the next four years. Best get your Pre-x’s changed from the 30 to 90 days refill.

    Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 23, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    So, it’s apparent it isn’t being lied to you down-thumbers find offensive.

    You’ll suck it like its your job if it comes from your Little Yellow

    murkyv in reply to Ragspierre. | January 24, 2017 at 3:57 am

    Same old bullshit from the same old sack o chit

    Lee Jan in reply to Ragspierre. | January 24, 2017 at 7:46 am

    Trump is egged on by the fauxers, with scammity in the lead.

It will take awhile for me to tire of Trump and his people bashing the press.
I’d like to see and hear Spicer announce today that Time and all media associated with it are banned from the White House for a month because of its disseminating false news.

    JohnC in reply to Rick. | January 23, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    “Joe and Mika pummeled the presidential aides who did not advise President Trump to moderate his remarks.”

    You know, I’m sure I’ve seen video of these two talking about Trump before so it can’t be that they’re not familiar with how Trump operates. So, why do they act as if this is all so unbelievable? As if they’ve never before heard Trump speak?

Let me see if I can translate Morning Joe into English:

Mr. Trump, we hate you, so everything you do is bad. That’s why you should listen to us and become more like Obama. Put your head down, get along, and tolerate all of our little lies about you or we’ll get really, really mean. Really mean.

For some time now I care not what Joe Scarborough says or thinks,Good ,Bad or Indifferent. I will not click on any link that features him.

Your love affair with Morning Joe is mind boggling. And do you think if he was conciliatory things would change?

Hell no and we who support him say keep on trucking!

They just don’t get it.

    MattMusson in reply to Exiliado. | January 23, 2017 at 11:51 am

    “I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An Elephant’s faithful 100%.”

    Maybe Joe needs to read up on his Dr. Seuss to learn that some people actually govern according to what they said to get elected. Because, that is what the Press is REALLY upset about.

They’re crackin’ me up, Sam.

I really like Trump’s aggressive style. Before press could say anything and not be called on it. Also all during campaign everybody advised Trump on how to do his campaign. He listened to no one and he won. Keep on keepin’ on Donald!

On the other hand, those are the people helping him win over more people. The press corps is losing this one and are just trying to put up a brave face.

More combat with the lying press please!

Combative? Trump is the very definition of combative. No counselors required, Schmoe.

As for Trump’s inauguration speech, I heard a rather short, optimistic, E Pluribus Unum pep talk to the nation.

I don’t what the h3ll the MSM was listening to – or what they were smoking.

Good grief.

Want more Trump? This is how you get more Trump. Yes it will take a while for this to get old.

This is nothing but the libmedia trying to establish the templated fiction that Pres. Trump should now turn from his obviously errant campaign rhetoric to the orthodoxy of the establishment, as is normally the case.

Is there anyone left on the face of the planet who cares what Joe Scarborough (a talking head on an unwatched cable network) says about anything?

Set the terms & set your definitions. I would have rather seen a mocking tone from the Trump Administration of the Press because honestly, they suck & more people are understanding of this. Big deal about crowd size. The Pro-life March draws large numbers but it doesn’t exist due to the media’s willful blindness.

Some of the talking heads still haven’t figured out that they’ve been supplanted by a new crop of alpha-bullies. Those that have realized it are clueless about a coherent response. Meanwhile the left’s most disgusting wingnuts are occupying center stage. Nice!

Look, look at me! I am the media I am so important!
Joe hates Steve Bannon and wants him fired. Nothing new
from Joe.

Steve and Kellyanne have played extremely important roles
in the Trump campaign. Neither of them are going anywhere any time soon.

Joe is trying to influence Trump…. But that is a major FAIL!

We can look forward to #nevertrumpers aligning with any and all opposition from Saturday forward. Radical left, MSM, BLM, whoever, but they are ‘real conservatives’ your understand.

    Ragspierre in reply to jack burns. | January 23, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    We can look forward to suppurating aspholes lying about any opposition to their Great God Cheeto, or any noting of his abundant lies.

      Rags, it may or may not be a total support of Trump, but it’s most definitely an anti-media sentiment. I fret it’s going to be a very long 4-8 years for you….

      jack burns in reply to Ragspierre. | January 23, 2017 at 1:31 pm

      Ignatius my boy, how are things? Triggered I see, snowflake’ish. I thought that they had insisted that you engage people as a member of civilized society but I can see that they haven’t. Or maybe you have an impulse control disorder. Anyway, this was on my mind since I happened to see something on one of the boards this site lists, the Daily Wire, where #nevertrumpers were already clucking their tongues that Trump wasn’t conservative enough in his 1 day old administration and that their deep convictions caused them much consternation. All this despite his stating in his inaugural address that he was returning government to the people. Talk’s cheap sure, but given the fact that you blokes have dug in at day one, presumably to conjoin your efforts with others that will try to frustrate the Republican agenda, and get a more what, immigration-friendly deep thinker in in 2020 and support some Democrats in 2018. Who knows what Trump will turn out to be? Guarantee that it’ll take more than 2 days to find out. In the event he does well, we don’t mind having lots of enemies who go by different names but have the same agenda. Take care of that IBS now.

        Ragspierre in reply to jack burns. | January 23, 2017 at 6:00 pm

        You’re hallucinating again, jack ass. There’s no “you blokes”. Just me.

        Your pretense about “letting more than 2 days go by” is given the lie by this calumny…

        We can look forward to #nevertrumpers aligning with any and all opposition from Saturday forward. Radical left, MSM, BLM, whoever, but they are ‘real conservatives’ your understand.”

        People who oppose the Progressive snake-oil salesman on principle ARE conservatives. Suck it.

The media has revealed themselves to be either stupid or delusional.

Since his nomination. Donald Trump has been clearly warning the press corps that he will not put up with ANY false or misleading reporting with regard to he and his family, his administration or his actions and policies. He has demanded that journalists provide accurate and substantive news. On the campaign trail, he continually pointed out both press bias and inaccuracies, which sometimes amounted to outright lies. After his election, he directly berated the heads of most major news organs and warned that he would not stand for such actions on their part, as President. Then, he met with the NYT staff, in their offices, and gave a very cordial interview. This was to show that he was amenable to dealing cordially with the press, if they would deal cordially with him. Since then, he has berated the media, regularly, as they continue to attempt to undermine his Presidency, including printing unverified falsehoods about him. Then he is inaugurated. The media pans his inauguration speech, calls him Hitlarian, criticizes his wife and son, prints a huge story on estimated crowd size at the inauguration [in an attempt to make him appear inferior to Barack Obama] and then disseminates a completely false story that the bust of MLK has been removed from the oval office, in an obvious attempt to foment trouble with the African-American community. As the press has not only ignored Trump’s olive branch, but continues to spit in his eye, any rational person would believe that the media has declared war on the Trump Presidency. Trump is just doing what he always does, when attacked, strike back. In the words of that American icon, Bugs Bunny, “This means war.” All of this implies that Donald Trump is the consummate diplomat. And, that is diplomacy does not work, force will be applied.

Now, the media is whining that the President of the United States of America, the most powerful nation on the face of the Earth, is standing up and stating, publicly that he considers their actions tantamount to an act of war and is treating them as enemy combatants, in the realm of public opinion. They just do not learn.

Holy cow, what a bunch of ultramaroons.

Trump is still manipulating and stampeding the press, and a good thing too. The press didn’t reform itself after the election; it’s still there, looking to snipe, smear, and cut Trump down with blizzards of innuendo and rumor if it can’t find anything better. And he’ll keep diverting what are really a bunch of very simple minds with the same seal-training tricks he used during the entire campaign. The press won’t learn, but it’ll continue to dance the way he directs it too.

Now, you could complain that Trump’s still in “campaign” mode. And that could be a problem. Billy Jeff and Obama never stopped campaigning, and as a result never quite got around to being Presidents, either. Trump may make that same mistake. But it’s not at all clear that he has made that mistake. There’s simply no way to tell yet. He hasn’t been President for a week, yet. Most people would still be looking to find where the bathrooms in the White House are by the end of their first week. On a more reasonable time scale, I’d expect an experienced corporate manager to be able to handle both the brain-damaged press and his managerial tasks simultaneously. But there is no way we’re going to learn about that second part from the press itself; it will never notice, and even if it does, it will never admit that Trump could possibly be doing something right. And I expect the situation to remain that way. The press will remain obsessed, preoccupied and bamboozled by Trumpian razzle-dazzle because it can’t help itself. Trump obviously knows that and uses it to his advantage. And after the clear evidence of Trump’s shockingly successful campaign, one would think that the punditry would finally realize it, too.

But the punditry is as ploddingly unimaginative as the press. It seems that that won’t change, either.

4th armored div | January 23, 2017 at 1:36 pm

Mourning Joe,
Morning Chow,

why do you guys keep doing stories on this RINO has-been?

ˈhaz ˌbin/
noun informal derogatory
noun: hasbeen

a person or thing considered to be outmoded or no longer of any significance.
“a political has-been”

Mika isn’t even eye candy any more, with her foul mouth and her lack of intellect makes her the perfect partner for Mourning Chou

Hillary’s future political options is DOA

Hard to understand why Trump should/would listen to 2 talking heads at MSNBC. I must have missed how they played fair with him during the election process. What part of – “this is what got him to the WH” is so hard for them to understand? Do they honestly expect him to become the usual limp wristed wuss the GOP seems to like?

    JackRussellTerrierist in reply to katiejane. | January 23, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Hard to understand why LI keeps writing about a couple dipshits on a dead network that apparently nobody but the author of this piece watches and gives a rat’s rear about.

      Personally, I like Mr. Finkelstein’s missives from the frontlines. Half of the country did NOT vote for Trump and the leaders of the Left actually listen to and approve of these goofballs. I appreciate hearing about their talking points in a summary form, without the necessity of watching.

      And, frankly, I find their stupidity reassuring. I would much prefer 8 years of Republican control to 4.

I love the fight. Don’t care if it isn’t how I would do it.

Mark Finkelstein, did you vote for Trump?

    Mark Finkelstein in reply to valegorge. | January 23, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    I did.

    During the primary, my overwhelming criterion was: who could beat Hillary. At least at the beginning, I thought that was probably Rubio.

    But part of me was always pulling for Trump, perhaps out of a nihilistic desire to see the system get a good jolt.

    If you look at the body of my work, you’ll see that I was among the more Trump-friendly LI authors.

DouglasJBender | January 23, 2017 at 2:48 pm

For some reason, Joe Scarborough always reminds me of Beaker from “The Muppet Show”: .

Quite the echo chamber here. So everyone thought it was a good idea for Sean Spicer to go out in front of the press and say that “this was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe”? Its an obvious falsehood that just makes Trump foolish. Hopefully he corrects himself today.

    CloseTheFed in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    To Tyates:

    It’s not important. Removing the U.S.A. from TPP, now THAT was important.

    BASH THE PRESS until they all retire from reporting, or until they all reconsider & become pro-American or until they quit the HOLIER than THOU act. BASH BASH BASH!!!

    Mac45 in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    Is it an obvious falsehood? Do we have any official numbers on the maximum crowd size on the mall for both events? Or are we just looking a two pictures, without any way to determine if they both show maximum crowd size or not?

    I understand the President’s point about the NYT front page report on “crowd size”. It is irrelevant to the Trump Presidency. It was done solely in an attempt to diminish the Trump Presidency by making it seem that Obama’s first inauguration crowd was bigger. Of course, it was presented without any attempt at context [Obama was the first African-American President, he had enjoyed a love fest with media, prior to his inauguration, the make-up of DC is 50% Black and 90% liberal. 95% of the population of Washington DC voted for Hillary. Next, people had to run a gauntlet of demonstrations and security checkpoints to reach the Mall for the Trump inauguration.

    The NYT story had no news value and was only an attack on Trump and his administration. Now, what the media choose to simply ignore, was Spicer’s other point about the fallacious story that the MLK bust had been removed from the Oval Office. All it would have taken to verify that the bust was not in the Oval Office would be to walk around and look for it, or even ask Spicer where it was BEFORE issuing a tweet that it had been removed. Of course, this was apparently too much work for the reporter to do. If Spicer’s claim was not accurate, then I guess a simple apology will make everything alright. Just as the media feels an apology from the reporter who falsely claimed the MLK bust was removed from the Oval Office is sufficient.

      tyates in reply to Mac45. | January 23, 2017 at 4:02 pm

      You’re making my argument – Sean Spicer said exactly the same thing, that there weren’t any numbers about crowd size, and then he proceeded to say that this was the largest audience to watch an inauguration. Fighting dishonesty with more dishonesty is never a good idea.

      Do I think this is an important issue, of course, not. Who cares about the crowd size? Let’s talk about those idiots who tried to burn Washington down or who thought it was a good idea to parade around in “p—y” hats & costumes. Or maybe even TPP.

      But Trump seems to care, and so does Sean Spicer, and whoever sent him out armed with his “facts” which didn’t add up. That’s the problem, and that’s why we’re talking about it. The media wanted to make it an issue, and Trump & team took the bait rather than just saying “well, we had a great crowd, let’s wait and see what the numbers are”. Just remain focused on the job and make everyone else look like clowns.

        Mac45 in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 5:06 pm

        You are doing the same thing that the MSM, and the rest of the media, are doing. You are IGNORING the fact that a pool reporter for the press tweeted a totally bogus story [the MLK bust story], which was picked up by 33 media outlets and rebroadcast. And, it could have have irreparably harmed the relationship between the Trump administration and African-Americans. And, when pressed about this monumental faux pas, the media response was uniformly that it was a mistake and the reporter apologized. Nothing to see here, move along now. See a pattern hear. The media believe that they have a right to nitpick a statement by the press secretary, but it is no big deal if they disseminate a false news report which could have serious, negative repercussions. When Spicer uses these two stories to make the point that the media is still actively engaged in attacking the Trump administration, the media jumps all over what may not be an accurate statement about the non-story on the crowd size while completely ignoring the glaring false account of the removal of the MLK bust which their news agencies ran with.

        Now, why would a prestigious news organ, such as the New York Times, feel that a comparison of the live crowd sized of the first Obama inauguration and the Trump inauguration are in any way front page news? maybe because they were using a triviality to diminish the Trump administration? It certainly wasn’t for its news value.

        Barry in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm

        There are no official numbers of crowd size, but there are other numbers to go by.

        It is the media that was lying and trying to make it look like no one showed up for trump with their pictures that were clearly false.

        As Winston said, Never give up, never. In nothing small or large. (not exact but close enough)

        You on the other hand should give up and quit looking the fool.

        murkyv in reply to tyates. | January 24, 2017 at 4:12 am

        Let’s go through it again, for the umpteeth time. Spicer spent about a fourth of Mondays Presser expalining it ONCE AGAIN.

        He said Saturday, that he was talking about total VIEWERSHIP, not numbers at the mall.

        How hard is it to get that simple FACT through so many fat heads.

        31 million on broadcast, according to Nielsen, PLUS 16 million ONLINE at just one of the networks.

        That doesn’t count CSpan, streaming, and other online venues.

        So YES…it was the most VIEWED inauguration in history, just like he said.

    See comment below that did not appear where wanted.

    tyates in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    To everyone who commented & downvoted me, please turn on the news. Sean Spicer himself said in today’s press conference that he meant to say yesterday that Trump’s inauguration was the most watched in person, on television, and online combined.

      Mac45 in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 9:46 pm

      This is known as a clarification. The quote from Spicer’s original statement lumped the people watching in person, on television and on other platforms together. Now, as the number available for online platforms is soft, this is, of course, an opinion. But, it carries just as much weight as that of the NYT, which also has no hard numbers. But, which decided to run this story on most of the front page on Saturday.

      Now, there were many far more important stories coming out of the WH on inauguration day and this weekend. Yet, none of them could be spun in a negative light, where Trump was concerned. So, the media ran with non-story on the attendance debate. And, of course the false media narrative concerning the MLK bust was simply swept under the rug and ignored. Nothing to see here, move along.

      You have to understand the warped prism through which the media is determined to view the Trump administration and their own actions.

      Barry in reply to tyates. | January 23, 2017 at 11:39 pm

      please turn on the fake news


BTW, I don’t watch inaugurations. I did this year, with a girlfriend of mine, in her living room. It was a helluva show!

Umm, Mark Finkelstein, did you vote for Trump?

“Its an obvious falsehood”

Please indicate which inauguration had a larger audience.

“The swearing-in of the 45th president was seen by 30.6 million viewers across 12 networks.

And actually, Trump could have been seen by more viewers than either Obama or Reagan. Nielsen ratings do not account for online viewing, which has grown sharply in recent years and is far more commonplace than even four years ago., for example, clocked 16.9 million live streams, tying with its Election Day coverage for the site’s top event (live stream tallies are typically not apples-to-apples with Nielsen’s strict methodology of counting average viewers, but are still additive). Plus, portals like YouTube, Facebook and Twitter offered live streams as well.”

So obviously false, as you suggest, is a falsehood itself, according to the above, not even an “alternative fact.”

    Another Voice in reply to oldschooltwentysix. | January 23, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    Old School but Up To Speed.

    Yes, I watched it on cable network and was a counted statistic, but my niece watched it on an online link stream at work and my daughter watched it in her car while she and her friend were headed to a conference. They were not counted. Expand those not counted out to the number of voters here and abroad who were all ears to hear Pres. Trump take the oath that no one said he would ever.
    How many other working families were like mine? How many people across this country had the luxury of leaving their jobs and taking a trip east or taking the day off to do what I did or have the ability to do what my family members did who went un-counted? Don’t they count for something?

    “This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration — period — both in person and around the globe.”

    It’s an obvious fabrication. Spicer himself said there were no crowd numbers, his info about magnetometers blocking people was wrong (per secret service), his info about floor coverings were wrong (they were used in 2013 inauguration), and his information about metro ridership was wrong (disputed by WMATA).

    And because he lied in so obvious a fashion, the story’s been front page news for 24+ hrs feeding into the story that Trump is ego-driven when his inaugural address was actually the complete opposite. If you want to call this a success, I’d hate to see what you consider a failure.

I think what we are seeing isn’t that anything has changed with politicians and their representatives saying silly stuff. The difference is that for the past 8 years the media has swallowed whatever the administration has put out there and just repeated it as gospel like good parrots. Now they are actually doing their job.

Personally I think Spicer was a mistake as a Press Sec. and I think he is going to fail miserably, but that is just my opinion.

I thought they were talking about Bannon who was just confirmed as strategy advisor.

I expect we will see more of this as the msm narrative construction is eviscerated, or at the least challenged.