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Poll: GOP Voters Want the Party to Stand By Trump

Poll: GOP Voters Want the Party to Stand By Trump

74% of Republican voters “said party officials should continue to support Trump”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47B8LsVOzAU

Trump’s now infamous “hot mic” comments while aboard an Access Hollywood tour bus have caused not only a flurry of GOP endorsement withdrawals and calls for his withdrawing from the race, but according to one poll released today, they’ve also prompted GOP voters to demand that the Republican party continue to support Trump.

From a former RNC chair saying Trump’s campaign “can’t be salvaged” and Condoleezza Rice saying “Enough” and calling on Trump to resign to such disparate members of Congress as Jason Chaffetz, John Thune, Mike Lee, and John McCain withdrawing their endorsements, the political class on the Republican side has made its feelings about Trump in light of the most recent revelations quite clear.

Equally clear, at this point, is that some Trump mega-donors and the majority of Trump voters want the GOP to stand by their man.

Politico reports:

A wave of Republican officials abandoned Donald Trump on Saturday, but, at least for now, rank-and-file Republicans are standing by the party’s presidential candidate, according to a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll conducted immediately after audio was unearthed Friday that had the GOP nominee crudely bragging about groping women and trying to lure a married woman into an affair.

Overall, fewer than four-in-10 voters — 39 percent — think Trump should end his presidential campaign, while only slightly more voters, 45 percent, think he should not drop out.

Breaking this down by party, the numbers are predictable with Republicans supporting Trump and Democrats declining to do so.

Politico continues:

But voters are largely viewing Trump’s comments through their own partisan lens: 70 percent of Democrats say Trump should end his campaign, but just 12 percent of Republicans — and 13 percent of female Republicans — agree.

As of now, GOP voters largely want the party to stand behind Trump. Nearly three-quarters of Republican voters, 74 percent, surveyed on Saturday said party officials should continue to support Trump. Only 13 percent think the party shouldn’t back him.

Morning Consult reports:

Overall support for Donald Trump dropped just one point in a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll taken immediately after the 2005 Access Hollywood video leaked. Trump would get 38 percent of the vote if the election were held today, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would get 42 percent.

The poll is the first national survey to test voters’ opinions after the video became public Friday afternoon. A POLITICO/Morning Consult poll taken days earlier on October 5-6 had Trump at 39 percent and Clinton at 41 percent.

https://morningconsult.com/2016/10/09/republican-voters-remain-loyal-trump-first-national-poll-video/

The poll shows support for Trump among GOP voters, but it also shows that Hillary is ahead in both a four-way and a two-way race.

Politico concludes:

Still, Hillary Clinton leads Trump in the four-way race for the White House by four points, 42 percent to 38 percent, with eight percent supporting Gary Johnson, three percent supporting Jill Stein and nine percent undecided. Clinton also leads by four in a two-way race, 45 percent to 41 percent.

Operatives in both parties say they believe it will take several days — and Sunday night’s debate at Washington University in St. Louis — to have the video bake into the public consciousness.

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Henry Hawkins | October 9, 2016 at 1:03 pm

“…to have the video bake into the public consciousness.”

I think you meant pubic consciousness?

During the primary I was a strong Cruz supporter, and I still am.
Nevertheless, I support Trump because I am never Hillary, and I don’t buy the arguments that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump. While many say that Trump could be as bad as Hillary, we know that Hillary will be as bad as Hillary. That is a significant difference right there.
The list of those politicians seizing on this latest nothing burger as a basis for dropping their support for Trump is a list of politicians whom I will never support, and there are some on that list to whom I previously sent contributions. What a bunch of pussies.

    jlronning in reply to Rick. | October 9, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    Bragging about criminal sexual assault and a compulsion to commit adultery is a “nothing burger”? What would constitute a “something burger”?

      Barry in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 2:19 pm

      “criminal sexual assault”

      There was no “criminal sexual assault” no matter how many times you diaper wetters claim it.

        jlronning in reply to Barry. | October 9, 2016 at 2:29 pm

        suggest you google define criminal sexual assault; result: “Specific laws vary by state, but sexual assault generally refers to any crime in which the offender subjects the victim to sexual touching that is unwanted and offensive. These crimes can range from sexual groping or assault/battery, to attempted rape.”

          Ragspierre in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 2:42 pm

          Sorry. Down-thumbed you by mistake.

          Barri here is a notorious liar and denier.

          Rudy said today on the t and the v that it WAS sexual assault “Da Pig” was talking about.

          You can believe Rudy Giuliani. You can’t believe T-rump sucking Barri.

          jack burns in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 5:38 pm

          And Google never lies: “European people art”

          Ragspierre in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 5:53 pm

          Well, “Jack” what did they teach at your law school?

          Where’s the lie, “Jack”?

          Was Rudy lying, “Jack”?

          RodFC in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 6:06 pm

          Well you know what I suggest that you stop from engaging in offensive sexual behavior and remove you head from your arse.

          Instead of “googling sexual assault” and reading what Wikipedia says you consult a law library.

          which the offender subjects the victim to sexual touching that is unwanted and offensive

          My doctor is scheduling me for a colonoscopy. It is certainly unwanted and offensive to me, but I will go because it is important for my health. Does that make it sexual assault by the technicians?

          Many women have gynecological exams and mastectomies. Sexual touching. Most are unwanted and offensive. Are the doctors guilty of sexual assault?

          If I am on a crowded bus, and a woman brushes up against my back with her breast as she walks past me to get off, it’s unwanted. Many women it may not offensive, but some women like Rosie O’Donnell it is offensive. Would they be guilty of sexual assault?

          If Trump were a gynecologist, proctologist, or ever rode a bus, you might have a point. If, and only if, his statement included that he was grabbing p***ies in his medical capacity as a physician or if his statement included the qualifier that when he’s grabbing p***y, it’s not an actual grab because his arm was jostled on public transportation. Given that none of this is true, your point is nothing but a red herring (a form of logical fallacy).

          Ragspierre in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 6:09 pm

          Rod, you are such a lying…well, you know.

          Don’t go to your doctor, because you WILL sign a consent form, STUPID.

          jack burns in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 6:16 pm

          Well of course you are the lie Ignatius, that is a constant. Didn’t attend law school. I preferred honest work. Embarrassed that you can’t use google?

          Ragspierre in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 6:25 pm

          Well, “Jack” what did they teach at your law school?

          Where’s the lie, “Jack”?

          Was Rudy lying, “Jack”?

          Waiting for your answers, “Jack”.

          Barry in reply to jlronning. | October 10, 2016 at 1:16 am

          “Barri here is a notorious liar and denier.”

          And you have never been able to come up with a single lie I have ever told. Which, of course, makes you the real liar.

          There was no sexual assault you pisspoor lawyer.

          Name the person he sexually assaulted. When is the trial? Who is the accuser?

          You are a liar, always have been. No morals, no character, no ethics, all in the cause of your trump hatred.

        jlronning in reply to Barry. | October 9, 2016 at 3:10 pm

        Here’s Rudy Guliani acknowledging that sexual assault is exactly what Trump was talking about: http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/10/09/rudy-guiliani-admits-trump-was-describing-sexual-assault-video/

        jlronning in reply to Barry. | October 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm

        Probably no better way to turn people against the GOP than to deny Trump was bragging about sexual assault: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/10/memo-to-gop-trump-was-bragging-about-sexual-assault

          RodFC in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 6:13 pm

          Amanda Carpenter? One of the biggest alt-RINOs
          You know she was highly #neverTrump ers in the primary elections, as well as DFCRuz’s mistreass?

          I got an idea, why don’t you get someone a bit more balance ( politically and mentally ) like Rachel Maddow.

          Ragspierre in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 6:17 pm

          Really, Rod The Stinking Liar?

          Show us any proof that the young lady you smear was a “Cruz” mistress, besides the lie of your Great God Cheeto via his slime organ.

          What FACTAULLY do you refute…factually.

          You lying…well…you know…

      BillyHW in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 2:33 pm

      The transcript I read shows he took no for an answer. Bill Clinton did not take no for an answer. And Hillary Clinton bullied and intimidated the victims into silence.

      I don’t care if a politician is personally opposed to abortion if their policy is pro-abortion. Just like I don’t care if a politician is personally a moral leper as long as his policies that affect me and the country are right.

        Ragspierre in reply to BillyHW. | October 9, 2016 at 3:03 pm

        That comes REAL close to being total bullshit, and here’s why…

        1. according to Donald “Da Pig” he’d just walk up to “beautiful women” and “start kissing them”. That’s multiple counts of potential sexual assault (his conduct warrents it entirely, the only caveat being “consent”, which obviously didn’t much matter to Da Pig). It’s also just creepy. The conduct of a disgusting oligarch.

        2. we know that Clinton DID take no for an answer on at least several occasions…

        3. AND we know that the Clintons DID NOT intimidate all victims into silence because we have the lawsuits that brought him into disgrace

          RodFC in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 6:17 pm

          So a guy is not a parist because a women saidno and he listened to her?
          Even if he did not listen to a thousand other women. I gotta move to Texas and take the bar. Even without formal law education I could pass it easily if this is what they allow.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 6:21 pm

          I’m not familiar with “parist” as an offense in the criminal code.

          But, sure, come to Texas, attend law school, and take the bar.

          Report back to us. That’ll be a laugh riot, you lying…well…you know…

          RodFC in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 6:27 pm

          So a guy is not a rapist because a women said no and he listened to her?

          Even if he did not listen to a thousand other women. I gotta move to Texas and take the bar. Even without formal law education I could pass it easily if this is what they allow.

          BTW thanks for pointing out your affiliation. I always knew you wanted to grab Hillary’s lady parts.

          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 6:33 pm

          Well, not in that instance, STUPID.

          Is he a rapist if he committed rape. Duh.

          Nobody said otherwise, you lying…well…you know.

          Is Da Pig a sexual predator? According to his own word on tape, hell yeah.

          He is a stinking, lying, PATHOLOGICAL Collectivist thug and fraud.

          Live it, learn it, love it. And you’re his boi.

      Treason by giving our enemies classified information for a start.

      Ragspierre in reply to jlronning. | October 9, 2016 at 4:08 pm

      Interesting, innit, jl, that the cult of the Great God Cheeto is impervious to facts.

      Plus, we find people here who are just part of the tribe of partisanship that can’t allow rational thinking to invade their world.

      Now we can see how Obama came to be POTUS.

    tyates in reply to Rick. | October 9, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    I guess now we really do know Trump is a democrat because he behaves like one. No, this isn’t “locker room talk” as some put it unless your locker room is filled with Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Gary Condit, Ted Kennedy, Elliot Spitzer, Anthony Weiner, Daniel Inouye, Kwame Kilpatrick, etc. But now we Republicans will lower our standards – why exactly? Because Trump is so intelligent? Articulate? Well-liked? Or just because he’s a wealthy celebrity?

    I personally do not think the tape is necessarily disqualifying, but the mountain of sleaze it now sits on top of is. Honestly Trump University and his failure to provide tax returns should have been disqualifying. Every day the Republican party is associated with Trump is another day the Republican brand lies face down in the mud.

    We all saw Pence in the debate – we’re extremely lucky to have him at this point and the change is long overdue. Let Trump run for Senate or Governor somewhere if he can, where the damage will be more limited if / when he crashes and burns.

      Sanddog in reply to tyates. | October 9, 2016 at 8:00 pm

      The “Republican Brand” has been worthless for quite a while. It began when they started treating the voters who put them in office as morons who don’t know what’s good for them.

Party officials are NOT the Republican Party.
The Republican party is made up by millions of Americans, and while I disagree with their choice, the majority of them decided that they want Donald Trump to represent them.
“Party officials” ignoring the will of their constituents are no better, and no different, than Debbie Wassermann Schultz or Hugo Chavez.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to Exiliado. | October 9, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    They 74% who have not abandoned Trump over this [and to be honest, the 26% who have really have supported Hillary all along since the convention] need to actively vote out all those who have withdrawn their support. If #NeverTrump is considered a valid stand by the GOPe; which means functionally at best leaving the ballot slot blank, voting 3rd party, or in reality mostly voting for Hillary, they the same tactic is valid against those who have withdrawn their support.

    Especially voting for the Democrats opposing Ryan and McCain. They are Democrat operatives anyway, so changing the occupant of the seat will have no negative effects.

    Sauce, goose, gander.

      Wait, so your argument is:

      Voting for Democrats is bad; Let’s all vote Democrat?

      Just checking.

        Subotai Bahadur in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm

        If those Republicans are functionally doing the work of Democrats, then there is no loss if they are gone. The Republican party will defend the Republicans who side with the Democrats far more than they will ever side with their own voters.

        It is better to have the enemy in front of you, than to install them behind you in your own side’s uniform with a knife aimed at your back.

          This is the apocalyptic thinking that got us into this mess to begin with. No, Republicans did not give Obama all he wanted, no it’s not USSR 1937, nor is it going to be any time soon.
          You propose surrender because you didn’t get everything you want? Am I talking to an adult?

          You have it completely backwards. It is Trump who owes an allegiance to the Republican party. If Trump no longer can represent the party effectively and can no longer act in accordance with principles than it owes Trump nothing.

          Believe it or not there actually was a Republican party before Trump showed up and it managed to win 34 governorships and control of the House and Senate. Now we’re in a position to take the Presidency too and set up a lock that would last a decade and appoint 2-3 justices. And if there’s something or someone that stands int he way of that, then they need to go for the good of the party and the country.

          Ragspierre in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | October 9, 2016 at 8:35 pm

          Yeeeeeup…

      Ragspierre in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | October 9, 2016 at 3:27 pm

      Poor Subtotal…this is one of your really, really nutty days…!!!

      “If #NeverTrump is considered a valid stand by the GOPe…”

      But that’s a bullshit statement. The GOPe and Mr. Establishment have exchanged bodily fluids! The GOPe and Mr. Establishment TOTALLY endorsed each other, Der Donald EXPRESSLY endorsing ALL incumbents.

      Now, since the revelation of this tape of Da Pig bragging about his colorable multiple sexual assaults and disclosing his attitude toward women, marriage, etc., SOME of the GOPe have very rightfully tried to limit the hemorrhaging.

      But the REALITY is that NeverTrump is a uniquely conservative drive, and is not, has not, and likely won’t ever be supported by the GOPe.

      And we’ve been shown correct. Again.

Would love the first question to Clinton to ask, now that Trump’s words about women have been exposed, if she is equally outraged by her husband’s conduct and if her remarks on the matter should also be on the table.

    “Yes.”

    That’s what I teach my clients to do on cross-examination.

    No emotion, no hesitation, no being cute. Just a dead-pan “yes” or “no”. Look the judge or jury in the eye, too.

    Then I let them run with the ball on re-direct.

DieJustAsHappy | October 9, 2016 at 1:50 pm

I wonder. I wonder how many politicians, former candidates, and former holders of public office who are now so condemning of Trump and withdrawing of their support where have they been these past nearly eight years?

Are we to believe that they did not find some of Obama’s utterances and behavior repugnant and demeaning of the Office of POTUS? Were they not outraged by his running down of America in speeches overseas? Where is their vitriolic reaction to allowing our country to be invaded, overrun by God knows who? Have they not read the memo of the weakening of our military under this administration? Where is their outcry and condemnation of this?

I’ll not apologize for Trump and some of the things he has said or the manner in which he has said them. However, I will say that if these aforementioned persons, alongwith some others, had stood up against Obama the way they have Trump this country might just be in a better place than it is today.

None of them, not a single one, has laid it all on the line for America. Not fame and fortune, not reputation nor public office, let alone their very lives. We’ll see of what mettle Trump is made tonight. I daresay half of these treacherous elites would have folded long ago had they been met with the onslaught Trump has.

    UK Transplant in reply to DieJustAsHappy. | October 9, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    The major donor to Jason Chaffetz is Jeff Bezos, owner of the Washington Post , so I guess we know why Jason withdrew his endorsement.

      Ragspierre in reply to UK Transplant. | October 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm

      For 80 years, the Deseret News has not entered into the troubled waters of presidential endorsement. We are neutral on matters of partisan politics. We do, however, feel a duty to speak clearly on issues that affect the well-being and morals of the nation.

      Accordingly, today we call on Donald Trump to step down from his pursuit of the American presidency.

      In democratic elections, ideas have consequences, leadership matters and character counts.
      —Deseret News

      Bet that had something to do with it, and a lot more than your bullshit insinuation.

I’m not sure why the morons who are “withdrawing” their endorsement of Mr. Trump are so shocked. This is who Mr. Trump IS, and it’s been well documented for DECADES.

Trump is right about one thing: Those withdrawing their endorsements are “so many self-righteous hypocrites.” They had their chance to stand on their principles and NOT endorse Trump, but they took the easy way out and gave an endorsement.

EVERYBODY knew who Mr. Trump was. For the love of God, his OWN SUPPORTERS refer to themselves as the “vulgarians.”

These moron “leaders” of the Republican Party is why the civil war to come is going to be so damn ugly. They’ve been “finger up in the wind” officials who are trying to tick off the least amount of people at any given time, rather than having a principled position and telling the world what they BELIEVE.

    “These moron “leaders” of the Republican Party is why the civil war to come is going to be so damn ugly.”

    Ugly maybe, but you should add the modifier “short”. The GOPe is outnumbered by a gazillion to one.

    I’m not surprised that Trump uses language like that. After all he spends a lot of time around construction workers. A person might not use it at first but eventually does pick it up. What I am surprised is the respect for women he demonstrated once you get past the salty language.

    Once O’Dell got married he stopped pursuing her. He expresses surprise that a whole class of woman act like prostitutes when around a star ( “and they let you” ). Any athlete or rock star could have told you that. In fact there are rock stars that become rock stars “to get laid” and willingly admit it. ( Just check Pink Floyds the Wall around the time of “Dirty Woman” to get a small taste of that world. )

    I do find the behavior of some of the alt-Rinos here very surprising. “They let you” indicates sexual assault and Clinton is a good guy because he “takes no for an answer some of the time”.

    As for the coming civil war, it already came a long time ago and came to a head when alt-RINOs went to the “will never vote for a Republican in a general election” part of the black community ro get Thad Cochran elected.

      Ragspierre in reply to RodFC. | October 9, 2016 at 7:25 pm

      Clinton is a good guy because he “takes no for an answer some of the time.”

      =================================

      This is a stinking lie by Rod The Stinking Liar.

      NOBODY said that, implied that, or hinted at it. Dollar Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. As is Da Pig.

Americans are wary after decades of female chauvinist baby hunts for thoughtcrimes.

holdingmynose | October 9, 2016 at 2:22 pm

A major difference between Dems and Reps: Dems will stand-by and defend their candidate, no matter who and no matter what the scandal; Reps will look for any excuse to abandon a candidate who does not satisfy their ideological or political specifications, even if it means getting the Dem elected.

The only people who’d see facebook posts from congresscritters are likely to be they’re supporters or friends. My congresscritter came out and said he can’t support Trump. Guess what? Looks like about 5-1 his friends and supporters don’t approve of his decision. People he needs to rely on in the next primary. Odds are, he’ll now be primaried. https://www.facebook.com/JohnKatkoForCongress/posts/974147632697174?comment_id=974500139328590&notif_t=like&notif_id=1476021278484317

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to gospace. | October 9, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Assuming that there is a “next primary” or a next election. Keep in mind that the GOPe would love it if they could be a tame opposition during a “state of emergency”. They would not have to deal with those icky voters.

    If this effort fails to derail Trump, expect more assassination attempts [we have had one, by that Brit who got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist]. They will be sponsored by both parties.

    gospace in reply to gospace. | October 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    Some people are really quick with the down vote. My post does nothing more then point out a fact, and link to the facebook page that shows that fact. Pointing out facts gets a down vote?

    Oh, wait. That’s how the liberal mind works. Inconvenient facts are by definition badthought, and need to be eliminated along with the badthinkers who point them out. I think there was a book written about that…

The dims and the GOPe and the MSM are one in the same. They are all financed by the same people.

Trump is the outsider who threatens to expose their corruption and make them accountable for their crimes. They will do anything to stop him. If the “politics of personal destruction” doesn’t work, I fear for his life.

    Ragspierre in reply to Kaffa. | October 9, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    Of course. The New York City crony Establishment oligarch is the champion of truth, light, and the American way.

    You’re nutz.

So they found a tape from 2005. Maybe we can start on finding 33,000 “lost” emails this week and a couple of missing boxes.
And from her criminal activities shown in those emails, where are the “Holier than thou” righteous dems screaming on the front pages and the prime time msm calling for hateful hitlery to step down?

Old Mitt Romney and the rest of the #neverTrump idiots had
better get a clue. 14 million voters put Trump where he is!

Just try and remove him and see what happens. It will be more than a civil war it will be a nuclear war and the Romney types will lose.

This election is Crooked Hillery or Trump!

That is the choice plain and simple.

I wonder what percentage of Democrat voters want their party to dump Hillary? If calculated in this same fashion, I bet the number is up in double digits, if not higher than 24%

    gospace in reply to georgfelis. | October 9, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    Maybe, maybe, but I wouldn’t bet money on it, 23% of registered Democrats might want to replace her at the top of the ticket. I wouldn’t bet money on it being double digit. But none of them count. No officeholder will even criticize what she’s done, and none of them, zero, will ever call for her to be replaced.

    I do have some friends who support her. Now, a significant number of Trump supporters, like me, acknowledge he’s not our ideal candidate, especially seeing how I voted for Cruz in the primary. Not one, not one single one, of her supporters have I seen acknowledge that she may have done something wrong with a private server and classified information sent out in public non-secure emails. To all of them, those are nothing more then Republican accusations made for political purposes; she did nothing wrong, or else, if she did, doesn’t matter, because everyone else is doing it.

    It didn’t get to the point where they are being to asked this question. To the contrary, they are rallying behind her to oppose Trump.
    And I live in the town where Bernie stickers are still gracing Volvos.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | October 9, 2016 at 3:37 pm

Over the past 48 hours or so, Putin has moved nuke missiles to the Polish border, vetoed the UN’s demand to end bombing in Allepo, and stated he wants to reopen Cuban military bases.

Few probably know it because our media is trying to throw the election to Clinton by obsessing over Trump’s two decade old comments calling Miss Universe fat after Miss Universe got fat, and his one decade old “private” comments with another cad about his supposed sexual exploits after he became a star.

Anyone…and I mean ANYONE…who is claiming
this NON-ISSUE is their reason for not supporting Trump
NEVER INTENDED TO SUPPORT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Good that the traitors out themselves now.

    Ragspierre in reply to Kauf Buch. | October 9, 2016 at 3:54 pm

    So, let’s be clear…

    Undecided voters who DO find sexual assault, adultery, and misogyny, along with creepy behavior by a predatory oligarch, to BE “issues”…

    are “traitors”.

    Got it.

May I make a suggestion for changing the “GOP” to “Getting Our Percentage” of the take from the gov largess.

Every profession usually “thinks inside the box”. I get the feeling that many feel they can argue the Progressive regimes out of their position as if it were a jury to easily sway. That stacking the Supreme Court or other courts with Progressives is no big thing as you will wow them with your well tuned arguments. That the “rule of law” will prevail when (social) justice isn’t blind. I would submit that the last 8 years and especially the last few months of Hillary’s criminal doings being whitewashed would give pause. This is Noah’s Ark time…. the smell inside is nothing compared to the watery hell outside. I give you Thatcher’s warning of not going wobbly.

A guy has a date with a beautiful girl. Kisses her without asking permission at the end of the date. Girl doesn’t want the kiss. Call police for assault?

    gospace in reply to willow. | October 9, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    In the world of today, yes. Or, wait three weeks, or a year, decide she doesn’t really like him, then call the police. And if it was on campus, the diversity office so his life can be ruined.

    Ragspierre in reply to willow. | October 9, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    Guy is minding his own business.

    Dim Jim Hoft bails off a bus and starts kissing and slobbering on him.

    Guy is not gay.

    Sexual assault?

    Well, yes, actually. Just like Da Pig described in his tape.

      Actually, even if the guy in your scenario were gay, it would still be sexual assault, particularly if he grabbed the guy’s junk (as he describes grabbing women).

        What part of Trump saying “and they let you” did you not understand?

          The part that demonstrates he held a position of power over them, and they were either too shocked to react immediately and went off and filed lawsuits against him or struggled to get away and couldn’t (as when Ivanka said he violently raped her; and yes, husbands can rape their wives).

          “She let me” and “she liked it” are the typical responses of sexual predators, by the way. Right up there with “I could tell she wanted me” and “if she didn’t want it, why would she wear that short skirt?”

          Actually, they didn’t let him, and he admitted that much.

So, Rags and others have prophesied that this video would result in significant shifts in the polls. *crickets chirping*. Still waiting for all of those Trump supporters to pack up and go home. Let me know when it happens.

When Trump won the the Republican nomination, it was all over folks. There were NO other Republican candidates who represented the desires of the majority of Republican voters. And without those voters, there is NO way that ANY Republican candidate can win this election. So, it is Trump or Clinton. That is it. If you do not vote for Trump, then you are essentially voting for Hillary. This is reality. Now, some people actually realize this. They realize what is at stake. And they are going to vote to keep Hillary out of the White House and put the establishment on notice that they are tired of being dumped on by their elected officials. The rest of you can vote to maintain illegal immigration, a sinking economy, the exportation of jobs, the destruction of the rule of law and the continued destruction of the educational system. Your choice.

    Ragspierre in reply to Mac45. | October 9, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    Coupla thangs, there, “Mac”…

    T-rump never had “the majority” of even GOP support. That’s just a fact. Certainly NOT conservatives’ support.

    I never suggested that “T-rump supporters would pack up and go home”. That’s just one of your lies.

    But it is over. T-rump lost. He did it on his very own.

    Suck it.

      UK Transplant in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 4:56 pm

      If Trump has lost, why do you continue to bash him? I can’t wait to vote for him on Nov 8! MAGA

        Ragspierre in reply to UK Transplant. | October 9, 2016 at 5:00 pm

        Oh, easy…!!!

        He’s a stinking, lying, PATHOLOGICAL Collectivist thug and fraud.

        I loath him. I hate, despise, and deplore what he’s done this election cycle, including losing to the worst Deemocrat candidate in modern history.

        Any other questions?

      gospace in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 7:26 pm

      From Politico, Trump percentage
      CA 75.3%
      CT 57.9%
      DE 60.8%
      IN 53.3%
      MD 54.4%
      MT 73.7%
      NE 61.4%
      NJ 80.6%
      NM 70.7%
      OR 66.6%
      PA 56.7%
      RI 63.6%
      SD 67.1%
      WA 75.8%
      WV 77%
      And NY 60.4%, though I’ll mention I live in one of the two upstate CDs to hold him under 40%, with my vote going to Cruz. And come November, Trump will win this upstate CD, despite the Quisling congresscritter. 2nd Amendment, Supreme Court, they’re more important issues then what Trump did or said 10 years ago. And at this point, there is NO WAY to replace him on the ballot that Democrats wouldn’t fight. And win on. So asking him to withdraw is a moot point.

    A quarter of GOP wanting him to drop out that late in the game is pretty significant.

I really don’t understand why this tape has changed anyone’s mind. Surely everyone already knew he was a pig and a lowlife, and those who supported him did so despite that, because at least he’s not the Wicked Witch of Westchester. Those who decided to support the witch did so because at least she’s not him. So what has changed now? What does the tape tell us that we didn’t already know?

    I think the pols are bailing because it’s so over-the-top in its incivility and crass disregard for other human beings (not to mention being potentially criminal if more women come forward with claims that he treated them exactly as he describes on the Access Hollywood tour bus). Personally, I have no idea why they agreed to support him in the first place if character, manners, dignity, and common human decency matter to them; they had to know what he is if we all did.

    But then, pols are pols and tend to toe the party line when push comes to shove, and it came to shove in terms of threats from Reince, etc. They have cover to bail now, so it might be that they finally feel free to simply follow their initial inclination with regard to Trump without undue reprisals from those on high who are still trying to keep Trump from self-destructing and taking the Senate and the Party with him. Just a guess, though. I have no idea why this would suddenly make someone see that Trump is a coarse, crude, vulgar, nasty piece of work.

      Exactly. It’s a Flight 93 election (apology to the heroes). Let’s keep our fingers crossed and endorse Trump as our donors demand and hope that nothing bad comes out. Even though we know something bad will come out.

It’s been clear all along that the political establishment of both parties doesn’t want Trump as the candidate or as the President.

The Republicans tried a few scurrilous tricks to get Cruz instead, but didn’t try terribly hard, perhaps because they really didn’t want Cruz either.

The Democrats have tried their usual sleazy games against Trump, but we can’t say that that implies any unusual dread, since they would be doing that whoever the Republican candidate happened to be, even the relatively benign Cruz or Jeb or whoever.

Since the nomination the Republicans have been conspicuously dragging their feet. Preibus has been the most consequential of the R’s to at least attempt to do his Party job of getting the candidate across the finish line. But in the main, the Party insiders have been acting like they’d much prefer a President Hillary. They do seem to think that there is a realistic possibility of a rejuvenated Republican party appearing by perhaps 2020, although what unexpected miracle they think will revive their moribund selves remains unclear, as does the possibility that the American electoral system will ever vote for a Republican again after Crooked Hillary bakes Dem corruption thoroughly into the substance of the Federal government.

So it seems clear that, wisely or not, the Republican “old guard” would prefer to lose this one. The only question has been how much they would prefer it.

Now the feeblest of excuses has come along, and they’re making a grand show of jumping ship. (The clock is ticking, and they must be desperate for something which might give them a bit of cover when they surrender to Team Hillary. They don’t seem to expect a better excuse to appear; and it’s very possible that they have that wisdom direct from the horse’s—or rather, donkey’s—mouth.)

But exactly what they’re afraid of remains unclear.

Lately we’ve seen that the corruption extending through the Federal government is at truly alarming levels. The grotesque failure of the FBI to uphold the law in the case of Hillary’s security violations implies that nearly everything the government touches is already perverted, and both parties are positively wallowing in it. And they are desperate to keep Trump out of the Oval Office. Evidently, he’s not part of the systemic corruption, and, even worse, for some reason they don’t seem to think that he can be indoctrinated into it once in office.

I expect that both parties will do whatever they think is required to deny him the Presidency; start a war (which normally wouldn’t work, but now, who knows), stage some 9/11-magnitude atrocities (risky, because the public will blame Islam, and the Muslim Mafia won’t stand for that), or resort finally to the Antonin Scalia/Ron Brown/Loretta Fuddy Solution.

They’re horribly frightened of something. They’re not clutching their pearls over some guy talking in private about crotch-grabbing; that wouldn’t instill the sort of existential dread we’re witnessing here.

… Or maybe it’s all nothing much, and they’re just being unusually silly. But even in that case, I think we can be pretty confident that the Republicans won’t be trying very hard to stop Democratic voter fraud in November.

This is well worth a read. I wonder how many of those bashing T never, ever in their lives said something that was less than savory, off color, or what have you … from talking about it to doing it is a far stretch. It’s the hypocrisy that “tees” me off!

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/10/08/profile-cowardice-republican-establishment-flees-trump-2005-comments/

    Ragspierre in reply to MAB. | October 9, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    No, actually is NOT worth even a click, much less a read.

    It’s more apologetic bullshit from a T-rump sucker who’s paid for doing it.

    Witness the reference to pure garbage about Sen. McAnus, who I have NO love for, in support of Pollock’s broke-dick whoring.

    That’s beneath anyone, but not T-rumpBart.

    We should see how many of them have been sued for sexual harassment and assault, too, like Trump.

    Remember, Trump didn’t say he would like to or dreamed about or thought about grabbing women by their genitals; he said it did it. All the time (when he thought someone was hot enough and he was in a position of power over them, anyway). Three women have come forward to support his claims that he engages in this behavior, with lawsuits dating back years (one included raping a child, one for sexual harassment, etc.). Will more follow? We’ll find out soon enough, I guess.

I’d almost tune in to Hannity to hear his whoring (daddy, Catholic, married man, T-rump sucker) after this story Monday.

Almost. I have real work to do, and I’ve found more hours in the day to get it down sans distractions now.

    smalltownoklahoman in reply to Ragspierre. | October 9, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    The one to listen to on Monday will be Herman Cain. Remember when his candidacy got sunk by allegations of sexual impropriety? His reaction will be interesting to see since he has been defending Trump on air.

smalltownoklahoman | October 9, 2016 at 6:18 pm

Stuff like this really makes me wish one of the third party candidates really had a chance this time around! While I’m Never Hillary this makes it really hard to imagine myself now casting a vote for Trump. I won’t vote for Hillary, but dammit if I still vote for Trump it really will be a hold my nose vote while keeping my fingers crossed hoping that his administration turns out better than expected! One thing for sure, this is going to make tonight’s debate ugly!

Two definitions of sexual assault as passed by Congress.
Obtained from some obscure University called Cornel.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/920
( Definition from the US Code of Military Justice )

(b)Sexual Assault.—Any person subject to this chapter who—
(1) commits a sexual act upon another person by—
(A) threatening or placing that other person in fear;

So what
No indications that Trump ever engaged in that.

(B) causing bodily harm to that other person;

No indications of that either. Not even bruising caused by forcing a woman up against a wall.

(C) making a fraudulent representation that the sexual act serves a professional purpose; or

Nope. No indications.

(D) inducing a belief by any artifice, pretense, or concealment that the person is another person;

I kinda think the Donald would have a lot of problems convincing people he is someone else.

(2) commits a sexual act upon another person when the person knows or reasonably should know that the other person is asleep, unconscious, or otherwise unaware that the sexual act is occurring; or

No indications of that.

(3) commits a sexual act upon another person when the other person is incapable of consenting to the sexual act due to—
(A) impairment by any drug, intoxicant, or other similar substance, and that condition is known or reasonably should be known by the person; or

Nope no indication of that.

(B) a mental disease or defect, or physical disability, and that condition is known or reasonably should be known by the person;

Nope no indication of that.

is guilty of sexual assault and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

———————————————————————————–
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/25/11.407

( CFR, Code of Federal Regulatuions )


§ 11.407 Sexual assault.

(a) A person who has sexual contact with another person not his or her spouse, or causes such other person to have sexual contact with him or her, is guilty of sexual assault as a misdemeanor, if:

(1) He or she knows that the conduct is offensive to the other person; or

I doubt that Trump knew any kiss he claims to have given was offensive. I also see no indications that women did not have ample time to indicated that they have find the conduct offensive.

(2) He or she knows that the other person suffers from a mental disease or defect which renders him or her incapable of appraising the nature or his or her conduct; or

No indication.

(3) He or she knows that the other person is unaware that a sexual act is being committed; or

No indications that the other person is anaware.

(4) The other person is less than 10 years old; or

Whaaa? Nope not there.

(5) He or she has substantially impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control his or her conduct, by administering or employing without the other’s knowledge drugs, intoxicants or other means for the purpose of preventing resistance; or

Nope.

(6) The other person is less than 16 years old and the actor is at least four years older than the other person; or

Nope.

(7) The other person is less than 21 years old and the actor is his or her guardian or otherwise responsible for general supervision of his or her welfare; or

Nope.

(8) The other person is in custody of law or detained in a hospital or other institution and the actor has supervisory or disciplinary authority over him or her.

Nope.

(b) Sexual contact is any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of the person for the purpose of arousing or gratifying sexual desire, or for the purpose of abusing, humiliating, harassing, or degrading the victim.

    Ragspierre in reply to RodFC. | October 9, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    You are one of most dishonest, stupid, and T-rump sucking of all the people here.

    And THAT is going some…!!!

    Da Pig didn’t CARE if the sexual contact was “consensual” or not, according to his own words.

    The UCMJ does not apply.

    The USC does not apply.

    Liar.

    Rick in reply to RodFC. | October 9, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    Yeah, let’s go with the UCMJ which, until the PC police got ahold of it, excluded spouses from the potential category of rape victims.

conservative tarheel | October 9, 2016 at 6:56 pm

it should be noted that during that time frame
Trump was a registered Dem. so this behavior
is considered normal … in fact he was probably following
the lead of Bill Clinton …

When it comes to societal perceptions, audio and video changes everything, as Charles Krauthammer incisively explains. We really don’t know anything about Donald Trump today that we didn’t know yesterday. But the power of a tape to make its mark on our consciousness is simply unequaled by written and oral descriptions. Very often, an accused who faces devastating eyewitness testimony rolls the dice and goes to trial, hoping the witnesses’ accounts can be shaken. But a defendant facing a tape-recording of his crimes pleads guilty. That’s just the way it goes. Trump should step aside. At this point, he is not electable.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/440871/time-trump-go

That’s Andy McCarthy, who’s TRIED to stomach a vote for Da Pig, but no more.

Read the whole thing.

Above all, it is very important to remember that nationally, GOPe has no base. None.

The Crying Boehners are bought and owned by a few money people. That is their base: about 1,000 dedicated votes.

We own the GOP, not these bastards. Remember that, and act like it.

Aimee Winder Newton, a 42-year-old mother of four who lives in Utah, was sitting at her kitchen table when a friend, a Democrat, sent a link to the video.

“Your guy,” was all the message said, punctuated by a red-faced emoji.

“My guy?” Newton thought to herself, although it was true — after much consternation and perhaps a bit of self-delusion, Donald Trump had become her choice for president.

But as she listened to Trump describe how he could do what he wanted to women just because he was a “star,” Newton decided that she had had enough.

“I thought maybe this abrasiveness was just a show,” she said. “But in the weeks since his convention, it’s become evident that this is the man he is. You feel like the rumors are true and that . . .­ ”
Watch: Donald Trump recorded having extremely lewd conversation about women in 2005
Play Video3:06
In this video from 2005, Donald Trump prepares for an appearance on “Days of Our Lives” with actress Arianne Zucker. He is accompanied to the set by “Access Hollywood” host Billy Bush. The Post has edited this video for length. (Obtained by The Washington Post)

Newton interrupted herself.

“I’m done. This is the nail in the coffin,” she said. “I’m done. I cannot look my children in the eye and tell them I voted for this man.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/this-is-the-man-he-is-how-vulgar-video-finally-pushed-a-trump-supporter-over-the-edge/2016/10/08/96172962-8d7e-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

There you go…

VetHusbandFather | October 9, 2016 at 7:38 pm

Trump might have survived these comments alone. Mainly because of Hillary’s past. Now with actual allegations on top of these comments, he is done. The best thing he could do now is bow out and let a respectable man like Pence take the helm.

For all you Trump fanboys out there, congrats A-Holes. This should have been the easiest election cycle ever. Hillary sucks at debates, she sucks at relating to people, she is corrupt to the core with a new scandal emerging every day, her actual record of accomplishments is tragic, and she quite literally hid from the media for her entire campaign. I can’t think of anyone that could possibly screw this up… except Trump. We warned you so this is on you. Enjoy president Clinton and Loretta Lynch on the Supreme Court.

    Do Not blame the Trump supporters. Blame the establishment republicans who have been bowing down to the gods of progressivism for the last two decades. This is still the USA and people are tired of being browbeaten 24/7/365 by the left. And, they’re tired of seeing the Republicans in DC cringe and cower every single time the left goes on attack. Why on earth would you be surprised when they finally picked a candidate who just might fight back?

      VetHusbandFather in reply to Sanddog. | October 9, 2016 at 9:02 pm

      Sanddog, doesn’t really matter. When you voted for Trump in the primaries you were really voting for Clinton for president. If you weren’t smart enough to pick it up back then, it should be pretty clear from Podesta’s leaked emails. The HRC campaign wanted Trump, because they knew a Trump nomination would pretty much guarantee their victory.

      He needs to quit the race. It’s the only chance we have to get an admin that is not the DNCe.

        First of all, I didn’t vote for Trump in the primaries.

        Second, it’s TOO LATE to replace Trump. Remember absentee ballots and early voting? The only thing we can do now is try and mitigate the damage. We know what Hillary will do if elected. Is that acceptable to you?

          Milhouse in reply to Sanddog. | October 10, 2016 at 1:53 am

          It’s not too late to replace a presidential or vice presidential candidate until December 19th. It doesn’t matter how many votes have already been cast; those votes are not for Trump and Pence, they’re for the Republican slate of candidates for Elector, and those won’t have changed. The electors won’t vote until December 19th, and on that day they will vote for whoever is then the Republican candidate, whether it’s Trump, Pence, or anyone else.

      What do you mean that we should not blame those who voted for this scumbag? Just like Trump, blame everyone and anyone but never the perpetrator – and never never ask for forgiveness. Your best argument might have been to blame Trump but I am not hearing that from Trump Trolls.

    Fiftycaltx in reply to VetHusbandFather. | October 9, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    Congrats Aholes. This is for all the bible thumpers out there. Trump ain’t jesus. We ain’t electing a pope. So not withstanding your religious superstitions, Trump is the only one that will allow the country to prosper. Hillary will continue the downward decline into fascism/socialism. Your choice.

I want everyone but those who have already given up to stand behind him.

I remember Viet Nam when I was the only voice in favor of winning on the ship and…wait…umm that’s right the whole ship wanted to win then.

It’s kinda hard figuring out the differences between then and now. Oh well. I for one, don’t welcome our new prog lords and masters.
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Sure are a lot of bedwetters among so called “conservatives”.

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