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Supreme Court allows Wisconsin Voter I.D. law to stand

Supreme Court allows Wisconsin Voter I.D. law to stand

Another notch for Scott Walker

http://fox6now.com/2014/07/31/wisconsin-supreme-court-upholds-voter-id-law/#ooid=ZjNmxkbzo576OR8nH1QUtYgQkfS7YMBD

The Supreme Court today refused to accept for review a case challenging the Wisconsin Voter I.D. law.

The case, Frank v. Walker, was on a long list of cases as to which petitions for certiorari were denied without explanation.

Supreme Court Wisconsin Voter ID Cert Denied

In early October, 2014, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Voter I.D. law, as we reported at the time:

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that Wisconsin’s new voter ID laws are constitutional, meaning that those heading to the polls in November will need to show ID before casting a vote….

Last month, the same panel of the 7th Circuit issued a short Order vacating the district court injunction staying enforcement of the law, and instead held that the voter ID laws would indeed be in effect for this November’s election. The court indicated that a full decision on the merits would be forthcoming.

Progressive activists in Wisconsin and across the country had a meltdown following the ruling

And they are not taking it well this time, either, via HuffPo:

“The Supreme Court’s decision is a huge step backward for our democracy,” Advancement Project Co-Director Penda D. Hair said in a statement Monday. “The 300,000 registered Wisconsin voters who lack the limited forms of photo ID needed to vote in Wisconsin — disproportionately African Americans and Latinos — deserve to have their voices heard in our political process. The values enshrined in our Constitution, and protected in the Voting Rights Act, are undermined when burdensome laws like photo ID requirements make the ballot box inaccessible to any eligible voters. Our elections should always be free, fair and accessible to all citizens. Under Wisconsin’s restrictive photo ID law, they simply are not.”

Who wins here?

In addition to voters who now can have more trust in the integrity of the system, the winner is Scott Walker, who once again has defeated the opposition against all odds.

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Comments

Well, darn.

How are donkeys ever supposed to win elections with a law like this on the books?

    bannor in reply to platypus. | March 23, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    They’re going to import new voters and issue them all the documents one needs to register to vote. That’s how they get around that.

“The 300,000 registered Wisconsin voters who lack the limited forms of photo ID needed to vote in Wisconsin — disproportionately African Americans and Latinos — deserve to have their voices heard in our political process.”

Then get your fat ass out of your expensive chair, and go out and help them get what they need, or STFU.

Oh, and let us know EXACTLY how many you find…in reality…because “300,000” we KNOW is a number you pulled out your butt.

    sequester in reply to Ragspierre. | March 23, 2015 at 11:34 am

    Circuit Court of Appeals usually review factual findings of the District Court for clear error. In this care the Circuit Court of Appeals accepted the District Courts absurd findings for purposes of judgment and found that Crawford vs Marion County controlled even assuming the finding of the District Court.

    The Court then went on to lambast the District Judge for the absurd fact finding.

    SWMerker in reply to Ragspierre. | March 23, 2015 at 11:34 am

    You stole my thunder. I find it not hard but impossible to believe that 300k people lack the ability to drive, cash check, collect benefits or interact in society.

    Unless they’re talking about 300k illegal aliens…

      khunley73 in reply to SWMerker. | March 23, 2015 at 11:45 am

      Thanks to the Obama Admin, illegal aliens can even get ID’s now…

      Observer in reply to SWMerker. | March 23, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      Illegal aliens don’t seem to have any problem collecting taxpayer-funded benefits in the U.S.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to Observer. | March 23, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        Where’d you get that idea from?

        There are no federal benefits that go to illegal immigrants, and Obama didn’t opropose to provide them, with the possible exception of teh earned Income tax credoit, if tou consider that afederal benefit.

        The only benefit they can get is free public education (college education help in states that want to provide it)

          Even assuming that you got your facts right (which you *didn’t*), basically what you seem to be saying, Sammy, is this:

          “No federal benefits go to illegals, except for the federal benefits that DO go to illegals.”

          For which you’ve just earned the “Most Ridiculous Comment on the Entire Internet Award” for March 23, 2015. Congratulations!

          Sammy Finkelman in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | March 23, 2015 at 9:52 pm

          The Earned Income Tax credit is a tax credit. The tax code was written with that in mind, but people without a social security card – or without “earned income” = income on which Social Security tax was paid – are not able to get it.

          Because it is refundable, it might be considered a federal benefit. It might also be cosidred a refund of Social Security taxes, and if so, not too many people can get a net benefit. In any case, it’s not usually what is thought of as a federal benefit.

          The problem with the earned income tax credit on wages from which no withholding was done, is that it is possible to invent income that was never made. Unlike almost everything else in the tax code, there is a point at which the more income you make the better off you are.

          With what he did in November, Obama only pproposed to do something that would have the effect of making the EITC available to many people – however, this is already true for the “dreamers” (people brought to the U.S. before age 18, before 2007 or something like that who were born after a certain date (below something like 31 in 2012) for whom he issued Social Security numbers in 2012.

          “There are no federal benefits that go to illegal immigrants”

          You’re just making up more shit. Many illegal immigrants are receiving benefits illegally; food stamps, etc. In addition to the earned income credit. School is just another freeby at the tune of between 7-8K per YEAR per child. Oh, go to an emergency room. Free healthcare as well.

          Why do you hate hard working Americans that have to pay for this?

It takes only four Justices to grant certiorari. That means that the Petitioners failed to persuade all four of the liberal Justices.

Sorry, the Appeal Court correctly held that Crawford vs Marion County controls.

I just never understand this voting problem. Everyone yells and screams about upholding the integrity of the voting system, yet when there is legislation suggested to guarantee that integrity, the liberals get whipped up into a frenzy. They claim racism and suppressing minorities as their cause. There isn’t anyone out there trying to suppress minorities or African Americans. We’re just trying to stop voting fraud and guarantee it is a fair race. How is that a slap in the face of minorities? You should have proper identification anyway!

You should be able to say who you are when you vote. What’s wrong with that? This is the 21st century. We have the ability to make all of this work. Why are “progressives” so set on keeping things the way they were long, long ago?

    betty in reply to Mr. Izz. | March 23, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    So they can cheat, it is so obvious. Politicians (democrats and republicans) have been fine tuning voter fraud for decades.

    That’s why their heads exploded over “True the Vote” Don’t think for a minute that the willingness to use the federal government to attack the Tea Party and other conservative groups was just democrats.

It is virtually impossible to conduct life in the USA without a photo ID. Among other things, you cannot so much as collect a Welfare check or Food Stamps without one! Just how do those poverty stricken blacks so poor they can’t afford an ID to vote with manage to get their Welfare checks and Food Stamps??

You also require a photo ID to do the following –

*cash a check – anywhere
*fly
*open a bank account
*apply for a passport
*apply for a library card (unless you are a child)
*attend university (where they will issue you one)
*drive
*hold a driver’s license

I could go on . . .

    I took in a foster dog who had contracted bordatella (kennel cough) at the shelter, and my vet wrote me a script for cough suppressant tablets for her. Apparently the tablets had some sort of “controlled substance” in them and I had to show a photo ID to pick them up! (“Mine, or the dog’s?” I asked 😉 … mine, apparently, as her legal guardian. I just hope I’m not on record now as having an 8-year-old daughter named “Gooberbelle”. lol.)

    In any case, yes! It’s hard to imagine functioning in 21st century America without a photo ID.

Henry Hawkins | March 23, 2015 at 12:01 pm

As easy as it is to get photo ID, gosh, I can’t figure out why the left fights so hard agin it.

    It’s just another way for them to gin up racial animosity. Telling lies to divide people is the only way they know to maintain their political power.

    Bruce Hayden in reply to Henry Hawkins. | March 23, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    I think that we all know the answer – Dems have depended on voter fraud for decades to maintain power. And, this strikes at the heart of it. Though, I don’t expect that this will affect election results nearly as much in WI as taking away automatic dues collection for govt workers probably has,given the state’s demographics. Next door in IL though (where Joe Kennedy apparently complained about buying too any votes in 1960)…….

    Sammy Finkelman in reply to Henry Hawkins. | March 23, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    College students, whose ID is that of their home states, but who have a legal right to change their voting address up to 30 days before an election.

    Also, there’s a difference bwteen people wo always carry ID because they have acar and need it to drive and those who do not, nor do states so readily replace lost state IDs as they replace lost driver’s licenses.

    There are people who don’t have them and even can’t get them.

      pesanteur in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | March 23, 2015 at 12:44 pm

      Supporting data, please.

      I have lived in a good many states in the US and have NEVER seen a situation where a legal citizen of the US could not get a valid photo ID. Since valid photo ID also happens to be required in all 50 states in order to purchase a beer or cigarettes, off which states make a bundle, they are pretty responsive about replacing photo IDs for those who have a State ID rather than a driver’s license. And BTW, those state IDs usually cost a fraction of a driver’s license.

        Sammy Finkelman in reply to Granny. | March 23, 2015 at 9:58 pm

        I know someone, who, a year or two ago, at age 86 or 87 could not get an ID. The records of his birth were destroyed in a fire, years ago. During world war II they accepted his circumscision record, but that’s not good enough any more. His bank account was opened years ago. And his house was bought years ago. He didn’t need it then.

      And this law specifically has provision for the indigent to get a state ID without paying a fee.

      nor do states so readily replace lost state IDs as they replace lost driver’s licenses.

      Which state are you talking about where it’s actually harder to get a replacement ID than a replacement DL?

      In Florida, it’s exactly the same process to get a replacement DL and a replacement ID. The website you order them from is one and the same, you just tick which one you need replacing. $25 for either one; though that’s waived if you reported it lost or stolen to the police and forward them the report. Easy peasy.

      I’m sorry but if you can’t get off your ass to go get an ID, or replace a lost ID, then you don’t deserve to have your vote counted. This is NOT a democracy. It’s a Constitutional Republic which relies upon an educated and motivated electorate. If you’re so worried about Granny Clampett not being able to get her ID replaced, then get off your lazy prog ass and go take her to the DMV.

      when I lived in the USA I used my NSW licence as my photo ID. That was in 1984-85. I assume that very little has changed since then.

      Why would it be hard for those individuals to get along to the nearest motor registry to get some photo ID.

      You talk mushroom fodder.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 12:20 pm

Fighting against the law also drives voter turnout. It probably actually has prevented more Republican votes from being cast than Democratic ones.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 12:43 pm

Therei s virtually no in person voter impersonation, nor does picture ID prevent it (at least not consentual impersonation)

I will explain why:

The great prevention against ringers is voter registration, which limits people to specific polling places and limits the number of people who can vote at that polling place.

If someone votes in the name of someone else and that someone else shows up, it’s becomes detectable once 3 or 4 cases occur. (The test cases where they didn’t, is where carefully selected names, using inside information as to who was registered but dead or moved, were used, and even then 1 in 30 attempts were detected. To do this on any substantial scale is detectable. And doing this can send someone to jail, or barely avoid it only by expensive legal fees, while the election in any case gets cancelled.)

The only time you get voter impersonation is when:

1) the people doing it the voter impersonation do not control the election machinery.

2) There is no absentee balotting.

AND

3) There is no organized political opposition. (because dozens of people would have to know, of course. Not so with other methods)

This is mostly primary races in one-party districts where the poll workers are not ALL selected by the political machine committing the fraud, or primary elections for very small third parties. In that case, this can take some time to get detected and for prosections to take place.

If someone controls the election machinery, or absentee ballots can be cast (and what kind of voter ID do you have for absentee ballots?) it makes no sense to try voter impersonation. And when someone actually casts a ballot, how would you know you are not being double crossed?

The history of voter fraud has been that of casting votes after the polls are closed, or casting votes for dead or long gone from the area people who never showed up in the polling place, or absentee ballots or changing votes.

Voter ID is no guarantee against voter impersonation. It has taken place in Israel. I heard of two cases, one in the 1999 Knesset elections, and one in a more recent mayoral election, which was later redone. There is no absentee ballotting in Israel – that’s why you have some in person voter impersonation, otherwise you would just have absentee ballot fraud.

To do this a political party collects IDs from people whom they don’t trust to vote, and/or who may be dependent on them, and then collects a whole bunch of people, and matches people who resemble them, and sends them out to vote multiple times, making sure that they remember their “name” and the ID number (which every citizen of Israel knows – the poll worker takes the D and then asks the ID number)

This can work because only one ID is acceptable, so if it is a handed over to the party worker, they can know that the voter won’t stupidly go out and vote anyway.

This happens only with religious parties, because no other party could get voters to trust them with their ID even if they wanted to.

There is also fraud in areas where no one from some opposition parties dares to go – mainly Arab villages. That however, does not involve in person impersonation.

    (citation needed)

    Again, Finkleman shows his willful ignorance.

    One of the largest forms of illegal voting is done by waiting for the polls to close. Then the poll workers vote for everyone who didn’t show up, going down the list and filling in empty names.
    Every time you hear of polls being ‘held open’ by court order it’s to facilitate this kind of fraud.
    Voter ID makes this kind of fraud much more dangerous, because the vote-stealing poll workers can be caught at it much more easily when they write-in and steal a vote of a dead person or a person who testifies that they are out of state.

    The largest problem is that vote fraud isn’t seen as a priority and is incredibly rarely prosecuted even in the most egregious of circumstances.

    Or in certain Alaskan Native villages ….

    A lib friend told me last week that 99% of scientists believe AGW is real.

    I didn’t believe her, either.

      NeoConScum in reply to creeper. | March 23, 2015 at 4:42 pm

      creeper….Did the Lib friend hop nimbly over to “Climate Change” the second you pointed out the bitterest storm-winter since the 1800s? The Herd absolutely refuses to expose itself to the unaccustomed horror of critical thought. Or, diud she/he jump over to the mendacious “Consensus”? Or, how’bout “Settled Science”?

      Bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….!!

    stevewhitemd in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | March 23, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Come to Chicago, Sammy, and we’ll show you how its done.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 12:45 pm

In person voter impersonation doesn’t happen any more than stores cheat people by not giving the right amount of change for a $10. If a store tried that more than a few times, they’d be in abg amount of trouble.

Congratulations to Scott Walker for getting a common sense law passed! Did I say common sense? Sorry, I know that those two words confuse liberal schmucks… Now, if we can only get this kind of law passed nationwide!

The justices must feel embarrassed that with a multi-trillion dollar welfare economy and multi-trillion dollar deficits, there are still indigent, homeless, and even unidentified Americans. And that’s after aborting around one million unwanted Americans… I mean clumps of cells annually.

Affirmative identification is the first step. Even the progressive nation of South Africa confirms this need in order to mitigate democratic disenfranchisement. How can any other nation do less?

Dear Huffy-Puffies: WHAT is it about requiring the same level of ID to legitimately Vote as to board a commercial airliner, or rent-a-car, or buy some booze, or enter most courthouses?? Help me here, oh precious, stone-stupid Lefties. WHY does that simple minimum requirement to LEGITIMATELY exercise our most precious right gall your vapid pinheads so badly??

I have to show ID to get a speeding ticket from a government agent. Why should I not be required to show ID to a government agent to get a ballot.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm

They sometimes don’t even get absentee ballots until after Election Day (they only have to be mailed beforehand. How can that be?)

Is Israel, they have very little absentee voting but soldiers and officials posted abroad can vote at other than their regular polling place. They are called double envelope votes.

This does not (technologically at least) prevent anyone from voting at their regular polling location – rather, the absentee ballots are checked against the list of people who voted, and I assume if it turns out that somebody did, then the absentee ballot isn’t counted. I don’t know what the legal conseuqences, if any, are to anyone doing this might be, but it’s the polling place vote that counts, not the absentee ballot.

You must be talking about early voting, which is NOT absentee balloting.

This, which ends at least a day or two before Election Day, can be reconciled with the list of people able to vote at the polls, but absentee ballots,which cvan be mailed until the day before Election day, do not.

In any place where you have alternative locations to vote you need some form of voter ID at the alternative ,location as you do not get teh normal protection you get from the fact of voter registration. You may only need this at the early voting location, not at the regular polls.

You must remembner, at the p09olls,a poerson cannot just vote. they must give aname, and only a few names are possible – thos of people registered to vote at that site. There is also asignature check (which nowadays does not function very well as a means of identification, although it could, and you could even commputerize this (signatures are better than passwords for logging in)

As I said, voter ID does not even prevent votyer impersonation, if it is organized.

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/200-fake-IDs-seized-in-Beit-Shemesh-in-attempted-voter-fraud-329446

    conseuqences … cvan … remembner … at the p09olls,a poerson cannot just vote … aname … thos … asignature … commputerize … votyer

    U OK BRO?

      Sammy Finkelman in reply to Amy in FL. | March 23, 2015 at 6:49 pm

      “conseuqences … cvan … remembner … at the p09olls,a poerson cannot just vote … aname … thos … asignature … commputerize … votyer”

      U OK BRO?

      That was really sloppy typing. I didn’t notice that until after it was saved.

      It should have gone like this:

      but absentee ballots,which can be mailed until the day before Election day, do not.

      In any place where you have alternative locations to vote you need some form of voter ID at the alternative location as you do not get the normal protection you get from the fact of voter registration. You may only need this at the early voting location, not at the regular polls.

      You must rememeber, at the polls, a person cannot just vote. They must give a name, and only a few names are possible – those of people registered to vote at that site.

      There is also a signature check (which nowadays does not function very well as a means of identification, although it could, and you could even commputerize this – signatures are better than passwords for security in logging in to computers.)

      As I said, voter ID does not even prevent votyer impersonation, if it is organized.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm

Wiith absentee ballots where ballots are mailed in (not early voting, where somebody has to show up in person somewhere) fraud is very easy if anyone gets ahold of the ballot, or who goes to nursing home lets say and just gets people to sign filled out ballots.

And dead people can vote.

In 1998, when theer was a recount of the Attorney General’s race in nw York, many absentee votes were found to have been cast by dead people (probably family members of the people who died, who kept on receiving, and filling out, the absentee ballots)

    Fraud is even easier if you’re willing to destroy ballots. Take a bunch of absentee ballots and replace them with fraudulent duplicates. It’s not as if the voter can individually verify a ballot after it has been counted to make sure that didn’t happen. Then there’s the Christine Gregoire plan, where you keep finding boxes of “missing” ballots under your mattress (so to speak) until you find enough to win the election on a recount.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 6:34 pm

Washington State does not have in person voting at all now – only absentee (mail-in) ballots.

http://www.sos.wa.gov/documentvault/WashingtonStatesVotebyMailExperienceOctober2007-2066.pdf

(In 2004, 68% of all votes in Washington State were cast by mail)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/07/us/voting-by-mail.html

Only one county in Washington offered in-person voting in 2010 and the entire state will be mail-only in 2012.

https://wei.sos.wa.gov/agency/osos/en/voters/Pages/vote_by_mail.aspx

Note that they had to find extra ballots, because most of the ballots were counted right away.

The fewer mail in ballots, the more difficult it is to add ballots. If this is what was done, this worked also because one party had control of the election machinery.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm

This is the official version of events: There may be room here for destroyed and later replaced ballots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004

]

Discovered ballots [edit]

King County Council Chairman Larry Phillips was at a Democratic Party office in Seattle on Sunday December 12, reviewing a list of voters whose absentee votes had been rejected due to signature problems, when to his surprise he found his own name listed. Phillips said he was certain he had filled out and signed his ballot correctly, and asked the county election officials to investigate the discrepancy. They discovered that Phillips’ signature had somehow failed to be scanned into the election computer system after he submitted his request for an absentee ballot. Election workers claimed that they had received Phillips’ absentee ballot in the mail, but they could not find his signature in the computer system to compare to the one on the ballot envelope, so they mistakenly rejected the ballot instead of following the standard procedure of checking it against the signature of Phillips’ physical voter registration card that was on file. The discovery prompted King County Director of Elections Dean Logan to order his staff to search the computers to see if any other ballots had been incorrectly rejected.

Logan announced on December 13 that 561 absentee ballots in the county had been wrongly rejected due to an administrative error.[13] The next day, workers retrieving voting machines from precinct storage found an additional 12 ballots, bringing the total to 572 newly discovered ballots. Logan admitted the lost ballots were an oversight on the part of his department, and insisted that the found ballots be counted. On December 15, the King County Canvassing Board voted 2-1 in favor of counting the discovered ballots.

Upon examination of the discovered ballots, it was further discovered that, with the exception of two ballots, none of the ballots had been cast by voters whose surnames began with the letters A, B, or C.[14] There was a further search for more ballots, and on December 17, county workers discovered a tray in a warehouse with an additional 162 previously uncounted ballots.[14] All together, 723 uncounted or improperly rejected ballots were discovered in King County during the manual hand recount.

Chairman of the Washington State Republican Party Chris Vance stated that he was “absolutely convinced that King County is trying to steal this election.” The National Rifle Association, which had endorsed Rossi, sent a mass e-mail on December 14 to its members asking for volunteers to go to King County in order to sit in on the county elections office and observe the recount….

….The Washington State Republican Party called into question the discrepancy between the list of voters casting ballots in King County (895,660) and the number of ballots reported in the final hand recount (899,199). They claimed that hundreds of votes, including votes by felons,[21] deceased voters,[22] and double voters,[22] were included in the canvass. As an explanation, election officials claimed that they had yet to finalize the list at the time, and argued that discrepancies in the two numbers are common and do not necessarily indicate fraud.[citation needed]..

…Also on January 5, 2005, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer published an article investigating votes in King County apparently cast by dead people.[23] The PI uncovered eight cases of votes attributed to dead people; these included one administrative error, two ballots cast by the spouses of recently deceased voters (one who voted against Gregoire), one case of a husband apparently voting his dead wife’s ballot instead of his own, and a man who legally voted his absentee ballot and then died before election day. One dead woman was marked as having voted in person at the polls.[23]

    Ragspierre in reply to Sammy Finkelman. | March 23, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    See why I’m a little bit suspicious, “Sammy”…

    A minute separates these two posts.

    Now, I type in burst when I post, and its pretty fast. I also post abbreviated comments, pared down to a few words, sometimes a bit cryptic and with some typos.

    So I REALLY have some questions about your posts…whoever you are and however many you are…

      Sammy Finkelman in reply to Ragspierre. | March 23, 2015 at 10:03 pm

      I composed a very long post, a great part of it which consisted of a quote from a Wikipedia article, decidced it was too long, extracted the end of it and put it into the clipboard with Ctrl-X, and posted the beginning, then decided to post the rest of it too.

      Well, I reaally decided at the time I cut it down. I figured it worked better as separate posts.

      Barry in reply to Ragspierre. | March 23, 2015 at 11:26 pm

      “a little bit suspicious”

      LOL. a little bit. Sammy boy is a card carrying paid commie doing his best to destroy freedom and liberty. He’s not very good at it because like all these people he is a dumbass.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 6:42 pm

I really don’t know much about the 2004 Washington State gubernatorial election, except for the general impression ir might have been stolen. But not how. Maybe somebody has wrritten about this somewhere in detail.

Sammy Finkelman | March 23, 2015 at 6:53 pm

Amy in Florida:

Which state are you talking about where it’s actually harder to get a replacement ID than a replacement DL?

New York!

In New York, if you report your driver’s license lost or stolen anotehr one will be sent to you in the mail, but for a state ID, identification has to be presented all opover again.

    Maybe that’s why national media keeps reporting the lie that IDs are hard to get: so many of them are based in NY and are assuming how NY does things is how everybody must do things.

    Replacing a New York Driver’s License or ID

    Looks like the same process for both. Except the replacement ID is cheaper.

      Barry in reply to Amy in FL. | March 23, 2015 at 11:29 pm

      In other words, Sammy boy is just making shit up.

      Sammy Finkelman in reply to Amy in FL. | March 23, 2015 at 11:53 pm

      Re: It not being as easy to replace a New York State ID as a driver’s license:

      I remember reading something like that in a newspaper, but cannot find it or anything like it. I know I read something.
      .
      I actually suspected they might have changed that because now they can be renewed online, but I can’t find anything.

      It seems like in every state (at least every state I checked) the process is the same for both. But sometimes it is not easy in either case.

      In the meantime, I found out that:

      In New Jersey, it isn’t easy in either the case of a state ID or that of a driver’s license!

      http://www.dmv.org/nj-new-jersey/id-cards.php

      Your New Jersey ID card can be replaced in person for $11. You cannot replace your NJ ID card online or by mail.

      To get a replacement NJ ID, visit your local NJ MVC office and:

      Bring proof of your identity and address. (See the “Apply for a NJ ID Card” section above for required documents.)
      Complete an Application for Driver’s License (form BA-208), which you can get at the NJ MVC office.

      Pay the $11 replacement fee.

      The same thing goes for a New Jersey driver’s license:

      http://www.dmv.org/nj-new-jersey/replace-license.php

      I am not sure you can go by dmv.org. It almost could sound like you need to bring the whole 6 points only for a replacement driver’s license but not a replacement ID except
      the page for a driver’s license has a heading that goes:

      Apply for a Replacement NJ License or ID and mentions both
      an Application for Driver’s License (Form BA-208) and a Non-Driver ID Application (Form BA-207) The web page for a state ID mentions only the Application for Driver’s License (Form BA-208) !!

      In New Jersey, a person definitely needs to present the full six points to get a replacement of a lost or stolen driver’s license:

      http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/LostStolen.htm

      There is apparently no procedure whatsoever to replace a lost non-driver ID, or it’s missing from their web site, so apparently someone must make a totally new application.

      http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Licenses/NonDriverID.htm

      In New York State:

      http://dmv.ny.gov/driver-license/replace-license-or-permit

      They can both be replaced online but only if they were not lost or stolen in a crime!!

      Lose your wallet or purse: you can do it online.

      Lose your wallet to a pickpocket or have your purse stolen: You must get form MV-78B from a police agency and bring it to a DMV office.

      (or you can avoid reporting the crime and lie about why you don’t have it any more.)

        Also, there’s a difference bwteen people wo always carry ID because they have acar and need it to drive and those who do not, nor do states so readily replace lost state IDs as they replace lost driver’s licenses.

        In other words, you just made that up, hoping no-one would call you on it.

        Goober.

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