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Live Egypt updates: Dozens dead after Muslim Brotherhood clashes with military

Live Egypt updates: Dozens dead after Muslim Brotherhood clashes with military

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If you want to mark a day when the Egyptian civil war started, this may be that day.

Breaking reports indicate that pro-Muslim Brotherhood protesters — it’s unclear if just protesters or an organized armed group — attempted to storm an army barracks where Mohamed Morsi was being held, and the army responded with gunfire killing dozens of protesters.

Via NBC News:

At least 42 were killed and 322 injured in clashes early Monday near the Republican Guard headquarters in the Egyptian capital, according to a Ministry of Health source.

Supporters of deposed President Mohammed Morsi had been holding a sit-in near the compound.

Reuters cited the Egyptian military as saying “a terrorist group” had tried to storm the building early Monday. A Ministry of Defense official said that 200 people were arrested after protesters attacked the site around 4 a.m. local time (10 p.m. ET on Sunday). Some were armed with guns, Molotov cocktails and knives, according to the official. One officer was killed and six troops wounded, the military said.

However, Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood and its allies accused security forces of attacking protesters. NBC News was not immediately able to reconcile the differing accounts.

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The Muslim Brotherhood has been around almost as long as the modern state of Egypt.

Whatever else happens, they are not simply going away. They will just go underground if things get bad enough, as they have done for years, and groom the people for their comeback.

It’s a good start.

Uncle Samuel | July 8, 2013 at 9:03 am

I’ve read yesterday and today, that the Egyptian Military is allied with Saudi Arabia and the Salafist sect, both of which are fundamentalist Islamists, aren’t they?

So, could this be a trick to replace a bad cop with another bad cop?

Dan Greenfield, Good News From Egyptland:
“Democracy was never going to work in Egypt because the players were substantially too far apart. And neither were invested in democracy. Democracy in Egypt was like the awkward press conference that boxers have before a match. They’re not very good at it and they’re just trying to get it over with so they can beat each other senseless. No one liked the idea of living within a system in which the lower classes would decide your political fate. What they liked was the idea that the system would declare them the only true rulers of the country for all time.”

“Zero sum gamesmanship is incompatible with democracy and a culture where everyone assumes that everything is rigged (and they’re probably right) is never going to accept the outcome of the ballot box.

Progress isn’t coming to Egypt any time soon. Its political system isn’t broken because there aren’t enough voting booths, but because its culture is broken. Injecting democracy into a broken culture is like throwing cash at a drug addict. All you’re doing is giving him another way to kill himself.

Democracy in Egypt isn’t progress, it’s a civil war by other means. Democracy in Egypt didn’t point the way to a better world. It began a civil war.”

    Ragspierre in reply to Uncle Samuel. | July 8, 2013 at 9:19 am

    German politics were dominated by one faction or another of Collectivism prior to WWII.

    No tricks. Just the grimmest, bloodiest, most murderous kind of contest.

    Generally, Egypt is politically dominated by Islam. Which faction ascends is the only question.

    Juba Doobai! in reply to Uncle Samuel. | July 8, 2013 at 9:52 am

    The problem, as I keep saying in all seriousness, is Islam and the Koran, and the barbarously backwards mindset it fosters.

    The rest of the world should withdraw and let Allah sort out the killers he has bred.

Juba Doobai! | July 8, 2013 at 9:48 am

Hey, Egypt is following Palin’s advice: let Allah sort them out!

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