Obama Sold, Tracked, Same Guns To Cartels He Hoped To Ban Because They Were Tracked From Cartels
In the Spring of 2009, the Obama administration called for the banning of “assault rifles” and .50 BMG “sniper rifles” due to their use in crimes by Mexican drug cartels. Obama dubiously alleged that 90% of these weapons were tracked back to the United States, implying that Americans have an obligation to surrender some of our freedoms to keep these weapons from being smuggled illegally over the border and used in Mexican-on-Mexican violence in Mexico. In this vintage clip, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre discusses Obama’s proposals with Glen Beck.
Obama backed off these proposals a month later, noting that such a ban would not be politically feasible at this time.
In Fall of 2009, the Obama Administration conceived Operation Fast and Furious, in which the ATF sold thousands of advanced weapons to Mexican drug cartels in order to track them once they were used in crimes. This policy perfectly dovetailed with Obama’s gun control arguments. First of all, by selling guns to the cartels that the ATF could definitely trace back to the US (because they were bought from the ATF), the percentage of guns used in Mexican crimes traceable to American guns would increase. ATF supervisors rejoiced at their success when they found that these guns were being used for violence in Mexico.
Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles…
…Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets… the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence.
One e-mail noted, “958 killed in March 2010 … most violent month since 2005.” The same e-mail notes: “Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone,” including “numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles.”
Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. “I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two,” he said. “The more our guys buy, the more violence we’re having down there.”
Senior agents including Dodson told CBS News they confronted their supervisors over and over.
Their answer, according to Dodson, was, “If you’re going to make an omelette, you’ve got to break some eggs.”
There was so much opposition to the gun walking, that an ATF supervisor issued an e-mail noting a “schism” among the agents. “Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case…we are doing what they envisioned…. If you don’t think this is fun you’re in the wrong line of work… Maybe the Maricopa County jail is hiring detention officers and you can get $30,000 … to serve lunch to inmates…”
And which guns did the ATF sell to the cartels? AK-47-type assault rifles and Barrett .50 BMG sniper rifles. Exactly the types of guns that Obama hoped to ban due to their use by the cartels.
I’m not saying that the Obama Administration intentionally magnified the precise circumstances that they were using to justify their gun control proposals. However, their reckless policy not only had this effect, but provided guns to criminal gangs that were used to murder U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, ICE Special Agent Jaime Zapata and about 150 Mexican law enforcement personnel. Those involved in this tragic irony must be punished accordingly. It is vital that the public comes to know who in the administration knew what and when they knew it. Kudos to Congressman Issa for bringing this deadly scandal into the light. Shame on the MSM for not making this a top story.
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The next dot to connect, piece to the puzzle, I believe, is how the visit of the Mexican president to Washington fits into all this. Obama made a lot of speeches about guns coming from America into Mexico at that time.
As you may remember, the Mexican president was very adamant about the United States doing things related to illegal immigration that were diametrically opposed to the laws of Mexico. He spoke in particular about guns coming into Mexico from America, although many at that time refuted that.
Coincidence? Related? More digging needs to be done to find out. And, as you note so well, Professor, the MSM is not willing or able to do the digging – i.e. their job. They are too busy chasing down BrAngelina and doing Casey Anthony watches; painting ordinary Americans as “terrorists”, i.e. the Tea Party; and taking down Sarah Palin while chasing her bus, complaining the whole way.
I pray for this nation. This is, as this article at Big Government says, bigger than Watergate. Much bigger.
In H.R. 1 2009 Gunrunner/Walker/Fast and Furious was funded. The deaths caused by the Project only cost the taxpayers $10 Million up front plus what ever their kin get at law.
Gunwalker was planned from the start by the administration. The game is cooked but will the courts or Congress do anything about it?
We need to try all those who have CONSPIRED to break the law. Noone is above the law…not even on orders of teh POTUS.
“I’m not saying that the Obama Administration intentionally magnified the precise circumstances that they were using to justify their gun control proposals.”
Come on Matthew, what a weasel statement. OF COURSE, they KNEW exactly what they were up to AND it appears quite a few of the agents involved in this criminal enterprise were VERY uncomfortable with their involvement. The Holder DOJ has blood on their hands and must be help responsible for the senseless deaths of innocent people on BOTH sides of the border. We have criminals in very responsible positions in this administration and, if the past is prologue, there is a good possibility that nothing is going to be done to those who are responsible for this travesty to the rule of law.
Thanks Liberty for writing what I was already composing in my mind while reading this post….you are (pun intended) dead-on correct in your opinion.
Now let’s connect the dots to Obama and impeach him. Start by hitting all the DOJ, ATF, DEA, FBI, and other honchos and agents involvednin this. Unless Soros pays them to keep quiet, they will sing like canaries and bring down the Communist in the DOJ. Bring him down and we should get to his fellow traveler in the WH.
These aren’t the guns your looking for…
One point I’ve noticed in the coverage of this on FNC and the conservative websites (almost the only sources of any coverage) is the statements about ATFE (better known as ATF) “selling” the firearms to the cartel straw buyers. To be accurate, the Federal Firearms License dealer involved contacted ATF about the apparent illegal purchase and ATF instructed the dealer to go ahead with the sale. Even Rush wasn’t free of the confusion, alleging that taxpayer money bought the firearms, when the money in the budget was for the “program costs”. These costs involved salary and ancillary costs expected/expended in conducting first the Bush Administration Gun Runner project (which did not involve allowing illegal sales), and then the Obama Administration Fast and Furious program (which did involve ensuring the completion of illegal sales).
Sanddog is correct that the MSM attitude (and the DoJ position) is as stated.
A correction to my 1st comment. Gun Runner did “allow illegal sales”, but also involved the arrest of the straw purchaser while still in possession of the illegally obtained firearm. Gun Runner did not allow the firearms to progress past the purchaser, much less deliberately allow them to be smuggled to Mexico (or be passed to criminals in the US).
If you think those straw buyers were stopped with their purchases BEFORE they crossed into Mexico with them, you are smoking something that is probably equally illegal.
Last year the DoJ waved a report under all our noses that said 90% of the confiscated weapons in Mexico came from the U.S. with a “See, see, we need stronger gun laws in the U.S.” grin on their faces. The only problem was that the DoJ was giving only part of the equasion. Yeah, 90% of those weapons were from the U.S., but it was from the 20% of conficated Mexican weapons that the Mexican government had already determined came from the U.S. Actually, the percentage of confiscated weapons from the U.S. came to about 18% of the entire total, with the most weapons coming from China and Russia. That 18% represents just about every weapon that was allowed to walk across the border by the ATF. Little did Mexico know that those weapons were finding their way onto Mexican streets with the permission of the highest office in our land.
But you see, if the Obama administration had been honest that it was 18%, and not the 90% they claimed, they could not push to make LEGAL gun ownership in the U.S. harder.
Now, last Thursday, Jay Carney (WH mouthpiece) said that Obama is planning on forcing stronger gun laws on the U.S. Not in the name of the deaths of hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens, or even the death to Border Patrol Agent Terry, or even the guns involved in the deaths of U.S. residents in Arizona, but on the fact that a gun shot Gabby Giffords. And how is Obama going to force more stringent gun laws on law abiding Americans? Why by presidential fiat, bypassing Congress completely.
This scandal, not being touched by the Obama lamestream media, makes Watergate and Iran/Contra look like a Boy Scout rally. If there is any doubt this goes all the way to the top, dismiss those doubts. When Philipe Calderon was given the priviledge of addressing Congress, he chastized Americans for letting guns cross his borders, nevermind that they were crossing with top-level permission. Calderon is now complaining about the U.S. violating Mexican sovereignty. What a joke. Mexico has been violating our sovereignty for decades with its refusal, nay, its encouragement that its citizens violate those very laws of U.S. sovereignty.
Fast and Furious continues to get worse. Now it is coming out that the same type program was used by the Tampa ATF office, allowing guns to walk right out of our country into the hands of the Honduras MS-13.
Anyone who thinks that this was a good plan gone terribley wrong is an idiot and should not only be removed from office (starting with Eric Holder) but prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How anyone could think that guns could be tracked once they hit Mexican soil, with the corruption of the Mexican government/police as deep as it is, is totally incompetent. Not to mention that out of the almost 2,000 guns sold, only TWO had tracking devises attached to them.
@retire05 and @mgparrish
You guys need to stop tripping.
Edward is on the same page with you.If you read what he posted carefully, you should have understood that Project Gunrunner was the original Bush program wherein the straw purchasers were apprehended and guns were NOT allowed to “walk” over the border.
During the Obama presidency, Gunrunner was modified and renamed to Gunwalker/Fast and Furious.
Reading is fundamental.
Gunrunner != Gunwalker
Just a quick follow-on to my prior post:
Mexican President Calderon visited the US in May 2010. After Gunrunner was in place, funded, operational. The vital question: what did Obama know, and when did he know it? Before they can shred the documents and erase the digital trail, this needs to be brought to light. ASAP.
Also, in March 2011, members of Congress called on Obama to crack down on illegal gun running . How is that related to all this?! Coincidence? Dems covering for the administration?
More digging needs to be done. Too bad the JournoList MSM doesn’t do their job anymore. They no longer expose cover-ups; they aid and abet them – since it’s their fav idol in the White House, of course.
I believe it is vital to do an expedited FOIA request to find out. The timing of the House request by Rep. Chu, was, after Issa started poking into of Gunrunner, exposing some touchy territory. Smells too fishy. Is it related? Timing is everything….
Rep. Issa, I hope you read Legal Insurrection and the comments to this blog!!! Thank the Lord for this blog, and for the new media doing the work that the press used to do. 😉
(btw – Matthew, I would be careful with the “Obama Sold” part of your title. Nothing has directly shown Obama’s hands on this debacle – yet. IMHO, you might want to soften it to “Obama Admin. Sold…” or add a sentence to your blog post stating that direct ties to Obama are implied at present, but all signs point to his knowledge, if not consent, of this nightmare. Jut my $.02. GREAT post!!!)
Since President Obama has said that he’s been at work while Republicans have been, you know out golfing, while he’s been, you know, “killing Osama”. Since he wants to claim he killed Osama, he can take credit for selling the guns. (Although I doubt he would know what to do if he ever had to stand in front of a cash register.)
Now we learn that the same sort of program was operating out of Florida, with guns going to Honduras.
Never let a crisis go to waste – and if you don’t have a crisis, make one.
Based on these comments, my references to “Gunrunner” should be changed to “Fast and Furious.” Thanks!
Other than being morally repugnant, stupid and shortsighted, what about Fast and Furious is actually illegal? Have international treaties been violated? Professor Jacobson?
Let me get this straight. You think that there was nothing illegal about “fast and furious”? How about knowingly selling guns through straw purchasers to third parties who are not allowed to own guns? How about the purpose of these guns is to aid in the drug “business. How about that these guns that are used to kill people? Are you saying that this is not illegal? I just want to know if my interpretation of your comment is correct.
Anyone with an I.Q. above a potato understands that the most anti-gun administration created the Fast and Furious program for one reason, and one reason only; to try to prove to the American people the need for more stringent gun laws, which, btw, will apply only to lawful gun owners who don’t use those guns in the commission of crimes. Even the FBI reports that in all gun crimes, less than 20% of them are committed with legally owned weapons.
But Obama won’t go after the guns, per se. First he will go after the ammunition. When you can’t buy ammunition, a legal gun owner will have a very expensive, and very heavy, paperweight, nothing more. But guns will find their way into the hands of criminal none the less.
It just keeps getting worse. Will nobody find the courage to do right by us and impeach him already?
BTW, I linked to your post here:
The failure of Democrats to impeach William Jefferson Clinton leads many to believe that they will never impeach any Democratic President, for any purpose, ever. That train has left the station.
“I’m not saying that the Obama Administration intentionally magnified the precise circumstances that they were using to justify their gun control proposals.”
C’mon man, please tell us explicitly what you think the point was in expediting the process through which criminals and drug lords could acquire these weapons! Someone, anyone, please tell us what the Obnama administration thought they were going to accomplish with this program.
@Third Coast: It is actually illegal for anyone to make so-called straw purchases [that is, to purchase a firearm for another person] of firearms in the U.S. It is a felony. What Operation Fast and Furious did was to conspire to break such laws. That is what is illegal, and the fact that agents of the Federal government did it does not make it less illegal.
@Edward: What you say is correct. However, there is evidence seeping out now that the FBI provided money to some of the straw purchasers for the purpose of buying firearms. This was apparently done completely separately from the ATF operation, and it is not clear that ATF knew of the FBI involvement.
I have not yet read all the comments, but along the lines of Ipso Facto’s: Why do so many refuse to state the clear inference from the facts? Aren’t these facts more compelling than what we know about the Casey Anthony trial? I’ll say it: Obama is intentionally destroying America by destroying our values and institutions.
Retire05 wrote: “If you think those straw buyers were stopped with their purchases BEFORE they crossed into Mexico with them, you are smoking something that is probably equally illegal.”
It seems you are referring to “Operation Fast and Furious”, or at least that is the impression I took from the rest of your post.
My correction dealt ONLY with “Operation Gun Runner”, which was conducted during the Bush Administration, and did not apply to “Fast and Furious”, which was designed and implemented under Dear Leader’s Administration.
If you have information that the Bush Administration knowingly allowed firearms to be smuggled to Mexico under Gun Runner, please update me with a reference.
Sorry, I’m a new poster on this site and I wasn’t able to quickly figure out how to post as a “reply”.
And no, I don’t smoke anything any longer, have never smoked any illegal substance and I’m way too old to start now.
Guess I’m getting color blind in my dotage, maybe just blind – guess I’ll go clean my glasses. I now noticed the “reply” in light blue.
Edward, yes, it is being reported that Operation Gunrunner started during the Bush administration, although I have a tendancy to discount much of what this current administration claims.
Now, let me give you some more information: Fast and Furious was announced (although not by that name) in March, 2009, just two months after Obama took office. Now it seems, we are learning that the same type program was implemented in the Tampa ATF office where straw purchaser guns were allowed to be routed through Honduras en route to Mexico. This is a heck of a lot different than some illegal walking guns back across the Mexican border using the same route they took to get here. How did those guns make it into Honduras, past their borders?
If you will remember, President Zelaya of Honduras was ousted in June, 2009, two months after the announcement of Fast and Furious, and although he was legally ousted by his own Congress, in accordance with the Honduran constitution, Obama, along with Hugo Chavez, backed Zelaya to the point where the U.S., through Hillary Clinton, demanded the immedidate reinstatement of Zelaya at the threat of cutting off foreign aid to Honduras. Honduras didn’t fold, and continued with their interm president and eventually legal elections of a new president. All Obama’s huffing and puffing at Honduras didn’t work. At the time, many wondered why Obama would side with Chavez and not with the nation of Honduras. Perhaps now we have our answer.
Don’t just look at the tree. Look at all the trees that make up the entire forest. If you look at only one tree, you won’t see the fire damage created in other parts of the forest.
This goes much farther than just allowing guns to be walked into Mexico across our southern borders. It involves the ATF telling gun dealers (who are constantly under the government’s thumb) to finalize illegal gun purchases. It involves a DoJ that had to approve the plan. It involves cover ups by the DoJ in its refusal to given the Congress the documents required to know fully the extent of who was involved. It involves the DoJ telling the acting head of ATF to not cooperate with Issa and Congessional hearings.
It also shows one other thing; the lamestream media’s reluctance to report on anything that could possibly be a scandal that could harm this current administration. The administration, and its agencies (DoJ, ATF, FBI) violated our national laws and the Obama owned media is hoping it will go away. It is the old philosophy; if they don’t report on it, it doesn’t exist and has no importance.
The short answer is you thought I was writing about Fast and Furious. Thank you.
Edward … The agents who were tracking the guns were told to stand back and let them cross the border. This testimony was given in the House Hearings. It’s a matter of record.
Has anyone in the administration uttered any words about guns from the US showing up in Honduras, in the context of supporting more gun control in the US?
Is that the one called “Operation CastawaY”?
Yes, and we need to know when it started. If it started when Zelaya was still in office, it would prove collusion between the Obama administration and Zelaya. Was Zelaya on the U.S. payroll for allowing Operation Castaway?
If facts support a similar Honduras argument, the overall argument would be substantially more powerful.
I do not have an answer for that. Maybe the guys at Sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com or waronguns.blogspot.com have the answer. They seem to have a great deal of info on this whole “Fast and Furious” operation.
Rick, we know that Obama has used the illegal weapons report from Mexico to pander for stricter gun laws in the U.S. Ironically, Jay Carney made no mention of that when he said the Administration plans to do an end run around Congess to impliment stricker gun laws here. He instead, used Gabby Giffords.
Do you really think this Administration is going to admit to allowing illegally purchased guns go through Honduras?
I don’t expect the Obama administration to admit anything. I hope that someone already has the information or is attempting to find it.
Anyone remember Obama’s comment to Mrs. Sarah Brady that “we’re working on gun control under the radar”?
Fast and Furious is just another plot to obstruct the 2nd amendment. How do you think Eric Holder got the attorney general job? Because he has always been against the 2nd amendment with a looooong history. Remember he was Clinton’s deputy attorney general who did all those underhanded things to get the Marc Rich scandalous career criminal a presidential pardon and the pardons for the 16 members of FALN. Ross Kaminsky reported in current events blog in 2008″…“By 1996, the FBI had linked FALN to 146 bombings and a string of armed robberies — a reign of terror that resulted in nine deaths and hundreds of injured victims.” In 1999, Eric Holder helped arrange Bill Clinton pardons for 16 unrepentant members of FALN who had been convicted of “a variety of charges that included conspiracy, sedition, violation of the Hobbes Act (extortion by force, violence or fear), armed robbery and illegal possession of weapons and explosives — including large quantities of C-4 plastic explosive, dynamite and huge caches of ammunition.”
Had Holder not circumvented the normal pardon request vetting process in the Department of Justice, he would have run across widespread opposition to the pardons, both from inside and outside…
So what’s up with Fast and Furious, I would bet that the undated presidential pardon has already been signed.
Let’s draft Governor Rick Perry for President and spread the word. When the DOJ would not do anything about patrolling or controlling the drug cartel on the Texas/Mexico border, Governor Perry sent in the Texas Rangers and whaddayaknow, the Rangers shot back. There are bullet holes still in the El Paso, Texas courthouse from the gunfight.www.digitaljournal.com/article/279059
Texas Rangers Deployed at Mexico-Texas Border
By KJ Mullins.
The Texas-Mexico border is a hotbed for criminal activity. Special teams of the Texas Rangers were deployed on Thursday to back up the customs agents and provide more security for the state of Texas.
The forces dubbed “Ranger recon” are just the latest wave of forces for what Texas Governor Rick Perry says is a failure of the federal government to secure the international border with Mexico….”
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/279059#ixzz1Rd7uwK6T
OPERATION: FAST AND FURIOUS
Tagline: It takes a lot of huevos to make an Obamelette!
You may find this compliation of links and timeline on Gunrunner/Fast and Furious interesting. Kudo’s to the blogger that put it together. Darrell Issa should get a copy of this. http://www.nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm
My earlier comment and question demonstrate how far behind I am on this. See, e.g., http://barnhardt.biz/, at her July 7, 4:54 MST article.
Anyone, ANYONE, who thinks that Obama didn’t tell his lapdog Holder to run with this is dumber than a box of hammers. This was to be the perfect plan to insist on more control of our rights as citizens. And the msm plays along by refusing to report this.
It’s too bad I cannot use “ShareThis” to share this to FaceBook and whatnot. WAY too intrusive. Please find something else which doesn’t say it’s going to email me and access my personal information whenever it flipping wants to.
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I live about 2 miles where these “fast and furious” weapons were seized in the link below. To my relief at least the mainstream media is at least reporting on this now.
Holder is toast … but he’ll take the fall for “The One”.
It not was Rep. Issa who brought this scandal to light first though he has been instrumental in getting more light shone on it.
Before Darrel Issa was involved, Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote a letter to ATF Acting Director Ken Melson asking for answers.
Before FoxNews and CBS’s Sharyl Attkisson were involved, it was the blogosphere. I had my first post on it on January 18th and that was almost a month after it was first revealed.
The credit for first exposing this scandal belongs exclusively to David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh. They are the two cranky middle-aged gun bloggers who broke the story in December 2010. They were the ones that were approached by ATF whistle-blowers to get the story out and they were the ones who put them in touch with Senator Grassley and Rep. Issa. If you want to understand the development of the story from the beginning you would do well to read David Codrea’s four part Journalist’s Guide to Project Gunwalker.
The reality of all this is 2 fold.
1. This goes all the way to the top and everyone at the top knew.
2. If those at the top did not know, this proves them incompetent.
Either scenario they are totally %^$#ed
How can “Big Sis” not know about this?
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Something to keep in mind; “Gunrunner”and “Fast and Furious” are not the same.
This is actually a very important distinction. Project Gunrunner started under Bush and was a long-term cartel weapons interdiction program. There is no indication that Gunrunner has ever been anything but above-board. It was a general program with individual projects/operations run out of different field offices of which Operation Castaway and Project Gunwalker/Fast and Furious were but two that were added later by the Obama administration. There are probably others as well.
Any confusion about the different programs will be exploited by these weasels to obfuscate and confuse the issue.
The different programs like the Honduran Operation Castaway and Project Gunwalker/Fast and Furious were all done under the aegis of the Gunrunner program, hence all the “black paper” redacted documents given in response to Issa’s requests. It’s going to take serious pressure and real investigation to get records released and separate all the different covert programs including those still undiscovered.
Special Prosecutor. It’s time.
video of Deputy Atty. Gen. Ogden on Fast and Furious 2009
How can they say they didn’t know?
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