Yuge NY delegate win would keep Trump on track to “steal” nomination
Trump likely to take far more delegates than his vote percentage, again.
Donald Trump is hovering near a delegate trajectory that will gain him a majority of delegates on the first ballot, even though he will not come anywhere near a majority of votes cast in various primaries and caucuses (including caucuses that selected delegates to state conventions).
In other words, using the characterization of the delegate selection process which Trump and Trumpmedia claim is rigged and amounts to “stealing” the election when it benefits Cruz relative to vote percentage, Trump would be the biggest thief of the campaign season. (By the way, the claim that state conventions are “voterless” is a lie.)
This NBC News analysis as of April 11, 2016, demonstrates how the supposedly “rigged” system has helped Trump:
Donald Trump blasted the GOP’s delegate rules Sunday, saying a “corrupt” system is denying him delegates in states he won. According to a new NBC analysis, however, Trump has benefited far more than Ted Cruz under the party’s arcane rules for allocating delegates.
Trump now leads the Republican field with 756 delegates — or 45 percent of all delegates awarded to date. Yet he has won about 37 percent of all votes in the primaries, according to the NBC analysis, meaning Trump’s delegate support is greater than his actual support from voters.
For each percentage point of total primary votes that Trump has won, he has been awarded 1.22 percent of the total delegates.
In other words, as a matter of Republican Party math, Trump has been awarded a delegate bonus of 22 percent above his raw support from voters.
By contrast, Cruz has been awarded about 1.14 percent of the delegates for each percentage point of votes he has won — a delegate bonus of 14 percent above his raw support.
(Cruz’s 545 delegates comprise 32 percent of all delegates awarded to date, while he has won about 28 percent of all votes in the primaries, according to the NBC analysis.)
Taken together, the data show Trump has been awarded 8 percent more delegates than Cruz for the same rate of voter support.
It is Trump, however, who is leading the charge against how delegates are awarded.
“We’ve got a corrupt system. It’s not right,” Trump said at a Sunday rally in Rochester, New York. “We’re supposed to be a democracy.”
Today’s New York primary delegate system could go a long way in aiding Trump’s “theft” of the nomination.
Polling averages put Trump at 53% statewide. If the voting reflects that polling, Trump proportionally would get 50 or 51 of New York’s 95 delegates. Anything beyond that, by Trump and Trumpmedia’s characterization, is theft.
It is likely that Trump will do better in delegates than his New York vote percentage.
If Trump gets 50% plus one vote, he takes the statewide 14 delegates, which would mean he’s “stealing” 6-7 delegates he would not get under a strictly proportional system.
On top of that there are 81 delegates awarded by congressional district. If Trump gets a majority in any of the congressional districts, he takes all three district delegates; if Trump has a plurality (likely in almost all districts), he gets two out of the three. Thus, it is likely that Trump will pick up dozens of extra delegates at the district level beyond his vote percentage.
So when analyzing the result tonight, and the impact of Trump’s almost certain big win, consider by how much Trump’s delegate haul exceeds his vote percentage.
Then scream at the top of your lungs:
STOP, THIEF!
UPDATE 4-20-2016
https://twitter.com/BryanJacoutot/status/722775843248844803
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Der Donald is a dangerous, pathological, lying Collectivist thug.
Period.
The system was rigged for Jeb Bush. That Trump is doing well doesn’t mean it wasn’t rigged.
One additional evidence of the rigging is the requirement for a majority. In an election with 17 names on the ballot, attaining a majority through the will of the voters (who don’t even get to vote in three states) is nearly impossible.
That’s why we have the backup system of multiple ballots at a contested convention; another system Trump doesn’t like.
Just once, it would be nice to see some acknowledgement that the system evolved this way for good reasons. But Trump is a liar and reductionist man-child, so that will never happen.
Except that the voters wishes are replaced by the wishes of the party machine bosses on the subsequent bosses.
“…and to the REPUBLIC, for which it stands…”
“…a REPUBLIC, if you can keep it…”
You Trump supporters seem to think this is a democracy. There’s another party for that (ironically, they’re even less democratic than we are), but this is the REPUBLICAN party.
You got that, snowflake?
How cool… Matty is going nuclear.
I think they’re just still upset with Bush winning the electoral college in 2000 even though Gore got a plurality of the popular vote.
Just keep up the big lie. Never let actual facts or truth get in the way. B T W the caucus system in Colorado, with some changes, has been in place since the early 1900’s. ALSO, that is the way most states used to operate.
Read this post
http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-is-wrong-voters-arent-being-disenfranchised/article/2001997
Another article critical of the BIG LIE
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-voterless-election-myth/2016/04/18/e7e1295e-0567-11e6-bdcb-0133da18418d_story.html
I used to read LI on a daily basis because I felt Prof Jacobson to be fair and diplomatic,. After Trump announced his candidacy, the coverage was still fair. But then the posts began showcasing ALL positives for Cruz and ALL negatives for Trump. My father-in-law used to say the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. I feel the fervent anti Trump bias has been distorting the coverage on a blog I used to rely on for an even keeled perspective. It is even beginning to sound angry and I would like to see this site get back to more objective campaign coverage.
The above post is more objective than most campaign coverage. It holds Trump accountable for what he has said from his own bobblehead.
Let me guess. You believe that TCTH and the gateway pundit have great, fair, awesome coverage of the campaigns.
I’m not comparing it to any other blog but to the changes I’ve seen occur in this blog only.
Take your false equivalence and shove it. Everybody on this site has seen the lies and sophistry employed by the Trumpkins, and we’ve made our decision: they are GUILTY.
When hatred occupies the heart, it’s tough to be objective about the object of that hatred, UK Transplant.
What’s really interesting is Fuzzy Slippers trolling folks in the comment sections and patting the #NeverTrumpers on the noggin for executing personal attacks above and beyond the bounds of decency.
One of them spoke of knocking my teeth out past my tonsils yesterday.
Another one daily accuses me of sucking Trump’s ass.
It’s a never ending sanctioned stream of excrement.
VotingFemale | April 19, 2016 at 10:18 am
I see the Kruz Klansman is rooting in the waller again.
Note the spiffy use of “K”. Not that it appropriate to anything in the rational world.
She’s just lost her “mind”…what there was…
Then don’t act like a Kruz Klan Kluxer, Rags.
So it is ok when you call people names, just not when someone else does it.
When your fellow #NeverTrumper, Rags calls me every name in the book daily for months, I have standing to call him on his Cruz Klan Kluxer behavior, not that that is it’s any of your business.
VotingFemale wrote.
“Another one daily accuses me of sucking Trump’s ass.
It’s a never ending sanctioned stream of excrement.”
Maybe not the best lines to have so close together…
“My father-in-law used to say the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.”
Yeh, your father-in-law would have been considered a wonderfully useful idiot by Stalin.
UK Faceplant, you really need to read LI quietly. Or not at all. Up to you…
I believe that Prof. Jacobson has been very fair to Donald Trump when discussing strictly legal issues. Politically he has his own views, and it is his decision to reflect them here. OK. I know that he put a great deal of thought into his actual vote, and that is what really matters. The rest of the noise here at LI reflects the mood of the entire country. It is inevitable.
Your father-in-law is an idiot. The truth almost never lies somewhere in the middle. There is right and there is wrong, and anywhere in the middle between right and wrong is also wrong. When an innocent person is accused of a crime, the truth is 100% with the defense; when a guilty person is charged, the truth is 100% with the prosecution. Is the truth “somewhere in the middle” between capitalism and socialism?! Between freedom and slavery?! Between Mein Kampf and the Nuremberg convictions?!
I agree with your assessment UK transplant. The visceral comments by several people on here are disconcerting to me. I used to really enjoy LI, but there is a definite anti-Trump bias now, even from The Professor. Too much hate on here for me.
Meanwhile…
Cruz Monsters Attack Phyllis Schlafy But She Stands Tall
http://bit.ly/1SqoXiS
Trolla, the T-rump sucking troll, attempts her thread-jack.
No. 1. We’ll see how many she attempts today.
Here comes the victim virtue signaling. Those mean old conservatives!
Naturally Cruz supporters don’t like Phyllis.
She’s not a “real conservative” you know. Besides, she’s a clear thinker!
Opposition to the Cruz cult will not be tolerated.
Lefties use similar tactics.
The constant lying and character assassination were bad enough, but what really convinced me that Trump would be worse than Hillary was the way he casually claimed that we shouldn’t try to stop nuclear proliferation, not even in the Middle East.
Trump is dangerous.
Trump is the only electable Tea Party Candidate.
That is HUGE.
Someone needs to put this on a plaque.
Well, it is TWO HUGE lies.
A Trump bobble head on a plaque would be extra special for us Tea Partyers.
#NeverTrump = Will Vote For Hillary, Mz #NeverTrump.
The Tea Party = The Antipathy of Hillary Voters
I know Tea Party and you are no Tea Party.
Believe me, you are no party at all.
You, As An Out And Proud #NeverTrumper, Will Vote For Hillary.
No one who will vote for Hillary is a Tea Party Conservative.
You just outed Gari “Butt Boi” Britt. Confused?
Take that up with Gary Britt.
That’s on his hook, not mine, #NeverTrumper Who Will Vote For Hillary.
1. Trump is NOT a TEA party candidate.
he has worked with the Dems and the GOPe
to undermine the TEA party.
2. Trump is NOT electable.
3. Trump loves him some poles except the ones
showing him losing by double digits to Hillary.
#NeverTrumpers are all in for voting for Hillary.
That leaves everyone of them out when it comes to the Tea Party.
Trump is the first Tea Party Candidate who stands a better than even chance of becoming President of the United States of America.
No one gets elected president without moderates, independents and swing voters. No one. That leave Rafael out of the picture.
You are confused as normal. The ONLY group that has advocated voting for Hillary is the #OnlyTrump group like you and Gary Britt. Including a complete Democrat ticket with the Hillary vote.
I have publicly stated many times I will vote for the GOP nominee, regardless of who it is.
Cruz is my second choice.
If Gary Britt would vote for Hillary, that’s on his hook not mind.
With the qualification that the GOPe refrains from dicking with the process at the convention.
They nominate a dark horse? I will write in Trump.
But, under no circumstances will I ever ever vote for Hillary or any other Democrat. Never.
“But, under no circumstances will I ever ever vote for Hillary or any other Democrat. Never.”
Huh, that is why I won’t for Trump. Because he is a DEMOCRAT.
No. No, Don is a registered Republican and a GOP Candidate for President.
So … the guy who can actually get votes is stealing an election. But the guy who does pretty well as long as it’s not required that sizable numbers of voters actually vote for him is not trying to steal an election.
Jacobson. Seriously. Take it from somebody of sufficient maturity to have survived the side effects of modern medications. Whatever you’ve been taking … stop.
Poor old tom.
Cruz has won elections. T-rump has lost elections.
Both have won caucuses.
One lies about those being “rigged” when he loses. But not when he wins.
La.
Trump can only place a hypnotic spell on willing subjects.
He cannot put a spell on the election process.
He’s pointing out the hypocrisy of some Trump supporters who don’t understand how the primary system works because they never paid attention to it until this election.
Rafael Cruz… the only guy running for president who personally gives welcome gifts to extranjeros ilegales as soon as they swim across the River Rio Grande.
This article is simply an attempt to defuse the Trump campaign’s criticisms by introducing extraneous, and irrelevant factoids.
What the Trump campaign rightly points out is that he has won the popular vote in all but five states where popular votes have taken place. And, he has won those states by a significant margin, in most cases. The campaign further points out that the states where the delegates are chosen by the party leadership without a popular vote, he gained NO delegates, despite polling which shows that he would have garnered a sizable popular vote. And, finally, it ignores the instances where Trump has won the popular vote, yet has still been denied Trump supporter as delegates.
Trump has not objected to his loss in states where there was a popular vote. He has only complained about those states which do not have a popular vote and where no Trump supporters have been delegated in states and districts in which he won the popular vote. The only defense that the party can offer in these cases is that “it’s the rules”.
The Republican Party has allowed this situation to develop because it allows various states to set their own rules for appointing delegates. This is simply absurd. The delegate selection process should be uniform across the country. And, it is not. This makes it almost impossible for the RNC to defend the delegate selection system. And, that is why the party is becoming desperate. Statistically, there should have been NO way that Trump and Kasich did not garner a single delegate in either Colorado or Wyoming. But, as they are essentially nominated by the Republican party leadership, all the delegates in those two conventions went to a single candidate. This seems to bolster Trump’s charge that the system is rigged, if no elections are held.
“The Republican Party has allowed this situation to develop because it allows various states to set their own rules for appointing delegates. This is simply absurd.”
No, stupid, this is called “federalism”. It was enshrined as part of the Constitution, because the STATES were permitting the formation of a more empowered central government than the Articles Of Confederation allowed, BUT they were jealous of their own power and sovereignty.
The rest of your error riddled post is very nicely refuted and the FACTS illuminated by Mark Levin’s comments from last evening…
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/04/mark-levin-proves-donald-trump-doesnt-support-voting
Depends on how you define winning. A plurality may be enough for a win, but it isn’t really. Trump has underperformed every poll in every primary, and has yet to break 50%. Today’s another chance for him to do that, and I’ll be voting in a few minutes to help keep hom below that. Again. Consistently winning with less then 50% isn’t teh mark of a winner.
“Trump has underperformed every poll in every primary”
Lie or mistake on your part?
I think it is pretty interesting that if Trump runs the table on Cruz in New York it can pretty much be attributed to a totally unforced error on Ted Cruz’s part. His gratuitous attack on New York might be the thing that puts Trump over the top.
That “New York Values” crack was Yuge!!!
not likely to happen, most of NY’s delegates are assigned by CD, 3 from each I believe, so there will be a few CD’s in upstate NY where Cruz will do well. NY is not just NYC, we need to remember that.
I don’t know why everyone is assuming that NYC Republicans share “New York values” and will vote for Trump. Registering Republican, and forfeiting the chance to vote in the D primaries that are usually the only meaningful election, should be seen as a sign of commitment to conservative principles; and how could such a person vote for Trump?
Damn Milhouse, you are trying to prove you are the complete idiot.
So, you are moving to New York City?
You support mayor De Blabio?
You want to swim in the corruption that IS New York?
Fine.
Trumphoid Fever is a serious disease spread by little hand dryers that blow germy #NYvalues all over the room.
Allusions of grandeur are some of the first symptoms. Vulgarity and weakness of character ensue. Babbling “7/11” is a sure sign of oncoming dememtia.
and dementia, too!
A good example of new york values
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/primary-day-voting-problems/
Cruz has had a year’s jump on Trump in California. Trump just got around to starting to organize last week. Cruz already tied up all of the delegates. After the first ballot, it will be all over for Trump if he doesn’t get 1237 on the first round.
62% of Republican Voters nixes that idea, Rorschach256.
They say the guy with the most delegates wins on the first vote.
What the Cruz clan fails to face so far?
Trump will be schmoozing, wining and dining all of the delegates not already pledged to him collected in one place… the GOP Convention.
What an efficient business plan that has been in place since the beginning of Trump’s campaign.
“Trump will be schmoozing, wining and dining all of the delegates not already pledged to him collected in one place… the GOP Convention.”
That’s a rigged system I thought? Didn’t Trump say how wrong it was to be buying delegates? Here you are saying that is exactly what he planned to do at the convention.
Once again, when Cruz does it, it is wrong. When Trump does it, it shows some kind of better thinking.
Why, Gunstar! You act surprised!
This whole meme is a political trip wire rigged like a Claymore to expose the GOPe #SmokeFilledRoom for what it is using the loudest megaphone on the planet.
Cruz just happened to be The Don’s opponent at this stage of the game. It’s not personal. It’s politics, baby.
Ah, so all the stuff you posted in the past is just as much BS as what Trump is putting out.
It is all about perception and you know Trump is just blowing smoke. Talk about a sleazy candidate. To know he is purposefully misleading and manipulating people to get their vote.
And here I thought that is exactly what people were upset with the establishment for doing.
Oppo memes are not created equal. This one is HUGE.
It has massive traction because it is real… the present GOPe fat cats tinker with the system to usurp voters unless they agree with the voters.
When Cruz joined forces with the #NeverTrump GOPe he gave up every outsider claim he had and Trump is the only one who now can fight this fight.
“Gunstar1 | April 19, 2016 at 6:15 pm
Ah, so all the stuff you posted in the past is just as much BS as what Trump is putting out.
It is all about perception and you know Trump is just blowing smoke. Talk about a sleazy candidate. To know he is purposefully misleading and manipulating people to get their vote.
And here I thought that is exactly what people were upset with the establishment for doing.”
“They say the guy with the most delegates wins on the first vote.”
They can say anything they want. Reality is we have two words, “plurality” and “majority”. One means having the most votes, the other means having 50%+1 of the votes. Two different things.
Imagine 30 high school students on a field trip. They vote for where to stop for lunch. 13 vote 1st McDONALDS, 2nd KFC, 3rd Burger King. 9 vote 1st KFC, 2nd Burger King and 3rd McDONALDS. Finally 8 vote 1st Burger King, 2nd KFC and 3rd McDONALDS. While McDONALDS has a plurality, it is not a majority. In fact, McDONALDS does have a majority of 3rd place choices. So KFC has 30 1st or 2nd choices, as does Burger King, but in head-to-head, KFC won 9-8. Go to KFC. Unless the Band Director really likes Rocky Riccoco, and there isn’t one in the home town, and he’s the Band Director. Then they go to Rocky’s.
Once I was at a synod convention to elect a new bishop. On the first ballot anybody could vote for as many “anybody”s as names could fit on a piece of paper. Your paper had 1 name, you voted for that one. My paper had 17 names, I voted for 17 people. The second ballot had just 10 names, the top 10 vote-getters. With each ballot a name, he* who received the fewest ballots was dropped off for the next ballot. Finally, on the 10th ballot there were just 2 names. We have done a similar thing. We started with 17 names. As people drop out, we have fewer names.
*Back in the day only “he”s got to be Lutheran bishops.
The GOPe lacks the cajones to face an all-out convention revolt, Milwaukee.
It’s likely a moot issue, in view of Trump’s planned delegate high-jacking at the convention.
I live in New York. I have lived here all my life. I don’t appreciate what the Most Conservative Man in the World Had to Say about New York.
We will endure De Blasio just as we endured Dinkins. The pendulum swings. He is already on his way out once these corruption investigations play themselves out.
There are millions of conservative working class New Yorkers out here just like me. Archie Bunkers if you will. We know that Ted Cruz hates us just as much as Andrew Cuomo.
“We know that Ted Cruz hates us just as much as Andrew Cuomo.”
Then you “know” a damned lie.
If you are a conservative, you don’t have “New York values”, regardless of where you grew up. If a commercial for Picante sauce could use New York as an epithet without explaining itself, then I’m pretty sure that you understood the subtext of the message, in spite of your protestations to the contrary. Many people feign ignorance of the obvious when it serves them. That doesn’t make doing so an honorable pursuit.
Get a rope.
Oh I know exactly what New York Values implies. The idea that it is about liberalism is silly. You choose to put it that way but you know that is not what he means. Stop with the nonsense.
Of course you know what it means. Which is why when you saw the Pace commercial, you probably chuckled and moved on. If, on the other hand, you were incensed by its insensitivity to your precious shared heritage, and immediately hurled spittle-punctuated invective at the screen in righteous outrage, then I am wrong and have misjudged you. Not to your benefit of course, but still a misjudgement.
Trump knew he could manipulate the dumb pride of many New Yorkers. You’re proving him right.
posted above – new york values
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/04/19/primary-day-voting-problems/
Does the good professor have room for anything else in his head other than Trump bashing? Normally rational people are really going off the deep end taking the bait of the GOPe. You all know that a Cruz nomination is not going to be allowed don’t you?
Talk to Trump, he is the one talking about a “rigged” system that is actually favoring him.
Lawdy Lawdy…
Rush Limbaugh is kicking the living snot out of the #NeverTrumpers this morning. It. is. BLISTERING…
Cruz’s unforced error is a prime example of how boob bait for the bubbas can come back and bite you.
He could have said many things about Trump. There surely is a lot to slam him with and he has used many of those things effectively. But to indict all of New York is pretty stupid.
Even you…IF you were being honest…know what people mean by “New York values”.
They are not the values of America. Just like “Chicago values” has a known meaning to…I dunno…honest people.
I called it out as a vaguely anti-Semitic slur a long time ago. I know what he was trying to say. If you don’t you are just lying.
I get that you hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns. That’s ok. But you are pretty much trashing what used to be a pretty good place to visit.
OooooooKAY…
NOW it comes out. The total BULLSHIT “vaguely anti-Semitic” slur…!!!
What a punk ass lying POS.
Cruz is MUCH more solidly behind Israel that is Der Donald.
Your dishonesty is apparently even more entrenched than I’d thought. Conservatives are uniquely pro-Israel. The anti-Semitic right is uniquely pro-Trump. It isn’t impossible for a pro-Israel conservative to support Trump (naive but not impossible). It is impossible, however, for a pro-Israel conservative to accuse Cruz of anti-semitism and retain credibility. You have pantsed yourself.
Now, that’s just a media driven talking point. Jeez that’s so lame. Another RumpTroll exposed.
I called it out as a vaguely anti-Semitic slur a long time ago.
And I’m calling you a f—ing liar. I don’t even believe you’re a New Yorker, or a registered Republican.
It is no bullshit in the least. It is quite common. New York Values connotes loud pushy obnoxious money obsessed libs. The stereotypical bubba view of members of the tribe. The Most Conservative Man in the World was dog whistling to the rubes.
Donald Trump is very much respected in the Jewish community of New York In the conservative Orthordox community. Not so much in the uber liberal Reform wing.
The fact that the Most Conservative Man in the World supports Israel in hopes of facilitating the End of Days is sort of a side issue there pal.
Wow.
You make it VERY clear who has the regional prejudices. “…bubba view of members of the tribe”…???
Seriously, you bigoted POS, have you ever explored the history of Jews in the south and southwest? You won’t find a more vibrant Jewish community than in Atlanta, Houston, and San Antonio.
“Dog whistles” are only heard by dogs. You’ve self-identified. Dog.
What a bigoted idiot.
Donald Trump is very much respected in the Jewish community of New York In the conservative Orthordox community.
No, he really isn’t.
The fact that the Most Conservative Man in the World supports Israel in hopes of facilitating the End of Days
Another lie on your part. A myth believed only by those whose so-called “Judaism” consists entirely of Holocaust fetishism and rabid anti-Xianity. People who actually know something about Torah and about Xians understand that Xian philosemites like Cruz take God at His word when He said ואברכה מברכך ומקללך אאור — I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you — and naturally they want the blessing and not the curse. Liberal “Jews” don’t take that seriously themselves, so they can’t believe that anyone else would either.
It’s simply amazing to me how many people there are who will go to any lengths to ensure that the Washington Criminal Cartel will go on conducting Business-As-Usual. Even more amazing that so many supporters are right here; you can’t all be getting paid under the table, can you?
But then let me not forget, Obama not only got elected, but he got RE-elected. That’s when I realized that America’s been sold down the river, and won’t be coming back.
Now there’s one last chance that MAY work to turn course before it’s all finished, but no, these great rules-followers refuse to go along; absolutely amazing. Anybody but the businessman who could restore sanity!
I sure wish that you brilliant lawyers here could see what’s happened to California, and how that same thing is now happening to the country as a whole, but you’d rather call names than save the country from the hordes of Democrat Forever illegals- who will vote- swarming in. A few millions more, and it’s all over.
I’ll never understand it. SMH.
A lack of simple dignity doesn’t make you an outsider. It just makes you undignified. And in this case, a clown. You call Trump a businessman. I’ve been in business for thirty years and I have never witnessed a person a fraction as buffoonish as Trump in any company that I’ve worked for or with. Trump is no businessman. He’s a jet-set, rich kid entertainer with a knack for getting others to pick up the tab.
If you have a problem with the primary system, why are you whining about it instead of working at the state level to change how YOUR primary is run?
You guys run around thinking it’s all about the popular vote and have a hissy fit when you suddenly discover it isn’t and hasn’t been throughout your entire lifetime.
“It’s simply amazing to me how many people there are who will go to any lengths to ensure that the Washington Criminal Cartel will go on conducting Business-As-Usual.”
A vote for Trump is a vote for business as usual. If you have been following his campaign you would know that by now. He will “make deals” and you know who wins when we try to make deals.
Yawn….,
I love the smell of cruzbot desperation in the morning.
It smells like VICTORY.
Trump is a clown.
Says Matt with the big red nose and floppy shoes.
TDS, toxic hatred. Every left wing tactic in the books may be used while calling yourselves “conservatives”.
You faux conservatives have much in common with the commies.
The system is corrupt. Cruz cannot and is unwilling to change it. He revels in it. Trump may be just as bad, but there is no reason to think so at this point. I cannot guarantee anything about trump. I can guarantee Cruz, and every other establishment republican, will continue the corrupt system we have now.
For cruz to win the nomination, he will have to promise the GOPe something. It will be an absolute sellout.
And every damn #NeverTrumper will vote for Hillary.
Barry | April 19, 2016 at 3:53 pm
TDS, toxic hatred. Every left wing tactic in the books may be used while calling yourselves “conservatives”.
You faux conservatives have much in common with the commies.
The system is corrupt. Cruz cannot and is unwilling to change it. He revels in it. Trump may be just as bad, but there is no reason to think so at this point. I cannot guarantee anything about trump. I can guarantee Cruz, and every other establishment republican, will continue the corrupt system we have now.
For cruz to win the nomination, he will have to promise the GOPe something. It will be an absolute sellout.
Your projecting your TDS and faux conservative values. Besides Trump sold out before the Iowa Caucus and still can’t win the nomination with all of the perks the front runner receives.
No, gmac, it’s simply politics. You are fooling yourself if you think the GOPe and its donors are going to hand the nomination to Cruz and not extract something for it.
I’m sorry, but to think otherwise pus you into a class of people often referred to as “kool aid drinkers”.
I don’t believe Cruz has a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination by the way. No, the GOPe will make the deal with trump. He is just in a much better position to negotiate the deal than Cruz as he will be close if not over and Cruz will not be anywhere near close enough.
The GOPe whores will do whatever the donors tell them to do.
Professor :
I didn’t read your article ; I’ve read none of the comments. It will just be a repetition of all the crap that’s been on this site when I started back with it several months ago. This site used to be much better before you began the path you’re now on.
Many of you are lawyers. With constitutional knowledge. It goes a long way to explain why this country has gone in the toilet under your era of jurisprudence.
You claim Trump people should invest the time to read & understand an ever-changing set of rule’s spread over 50 states. Read that sentence again to grasp the absurdity of your position.
Until recently I was neutral in this contest. You & your candidate have turned me against you.
You present Trump as inept. Then you accuse him of stealing vote’s under systems YOUR kind wrote!
There’s no having a rational discussion with ANY of you.
Let the hatred & invective spew forth.
“You claim Trump people should invest the time to read & understand an ever-changing set of rule’s spread over 50 states.”
1. You lie. They aren’t “ever changing”
2. Cruz people did
It’s called “federalism”, twosucks.
“You present Trump as inept.”
Well, yes.
Actually, if Mr. Trump was really worth as much as he said he was in the 1980’s, and he had invested in indexed mutual funds, then he would be worth more today than he claims he’s worth. He had fun making huge deals, going bankrupt, being a celebrity on a reality tv show, and what not, but yes, he does seem to inept. His family money has helped bail him out, as have his bankruptcy partners.
Cruz supporting state legislators were the ones that wrote the changes last August that set up Cruzes “sweep” in Colorado last week. That is against the law. Not that it matters to a “lawyah.”
“Hey bar rag, one of your monkeys got drunk & vomited in the corner ; go clean it up!”
Milwaukee ; yeah, & your heroes spent his life suckling from the public teat, I don’t see that as a particularly attractive alternative. We can do this all day.
Their was no law that was changed, it was a rule. The rule was for an non-binding straw poll of delegates. The national committee said no more non-binding polls. The state committee could choose between a binding poll or no poll at all. They decided to get rid of the poll. All the delegates were still unbound. Get it? Unbound before and after the rule change.
Really, what does it say about a candidate when all of his supporters parrot the same debunked lie which the candidate himself started?
I didn’t say what they changed was a “law” genius, it’s against state law for state legislators to involve themselves in the party political process the way they did.
Really, what does it say about a candidate whose advocates can’t follow a simple stream of logic.
Oh? Cite to that law, liar.
it’s against state law for state legislators to involve themselves in the party political process the way they did.
On what planet?
Frank Luntz predicts Trump gets 60% in New York. Cruz will be distant 3rd.
Will Trump get 80, 85, 90, or 95 delegates tonight? Cruz will get zero.
That would be Luntz who you’ve called everything BUT a child of gawd, and now you’re citing as an authority in your fallacy?
You’re amazing in a disgusting sort of way…
I talk to Frank often on Twitter. It’s been a one way conversation so far but I know he reads my replies.
Usually it is taking him to task for something biased.
He knows his gig is ended if he can’t recapture the perception of non-bias.
Gary Britt | April 19, 2016 at 6:52 pm
Frank Luntz predicts Trump gets 60% in New York. Cruz will be distant 3rd.
Will Trump get 80, 85, 90, or 95 delegates tonight? Cruz will get zero.
Yes I’m no fan of Luntz. This is one time I hope his prediction is accidentally correct.
I voted (for Cruz, of course) at 3:45, and was the 10th Republican to vote that day in my election district. The Dem counter was somewhere in the 230s.
Goodness Milhouse, where is your polling place? on top of Mt. Marcy?
…only been a total of 240 some odd voters by 3:45?
BTW, I am sure Ted appreciates your vote.
Election districts are fairly small. There were about six of them at my polling place. 240 voters by mid-afternoon for one district is a reasonably good turnout. When I went there was no line, but the guy manning the table said that it was “a mob scene” earlier. And of course there’s the after-work rush and the last-minute rush at 8:30.
I just looked it up, and found that election districts are supposed to have a maximum of 950 active voters, and may never go above 1150.
Quite interesting. Thanks for sharing that, Milhouse.
Bar Rags
I cite Jack’s rules of squat! I’ve never owned a computer. I operate off a year old $40.00,smart phone. I’ve read that today on several sites & from personal Colorado sources involved in the issue.
FYI; you’re arguing with a poor man who happens to also be a college dropout. I consistently hand college educated posers like you your a$$es.
Before you respond as I know you will. I don’t care what you think. But I do want to thank all of you. You’re destroying your own political party. All I’m doing is enjoying the spectacle!
Carry on morons.
Wow. “Issues” much…???
Carry on, twosucks.
B. R.
You’ve used this site for years to parade your “issues.” You would know.
I call excessive use of …???
Wut…???
Kidding…I kid…!!!
Fair cop…!!!
Good for you, SecondWind. You are doing great, by my observations.
BTW, that $40 smart phone you are using? It is a hand held computer with a telephone built in and would kick the living dog crap out of computers built not all that long ago.
Hawt Off Da Twitterz:
Donald J Trump Has Just Won The New York GOP Primary
Ted Cruz came in third 🙁
Belly up to the bar rag’s!
“A row of fools, on a row of stool’s.”
Jim Ed Brown, circa 1980’s.
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You make it to easy old man.
Game ; set ; match!
It’s this simple and anybody who doesn’t get it is closing their eyes and stomping to make it go away; if Cruz lawyers his way to the nomination and takes it in a brokered election he’s finished.
But you would rather lose every new Republican voter, lose every bit of momentum, lose the general election to Hillary than win with Trump.
O.J. Simpson lawyered his way out of a murder rap. Cruz will be just as popular if he lawyers his way to the nomination.
well… Trump has the best chances to win in the general election against hillary – if they want to win in 2016 they should go with Trump.
but what is best about him is that he is self-funded… in fact there has never been a candidate who won the presidency without having to cater to the elite for funding/backing/support.
….and the funding/backing always comes with strings attached… such as special favors/preferential treatment by said president usually at the expense of most of everybody else in the country.
Trump breaks that machine… so you can see why the GOP are somewhat terrified of him. …problem for them is… the GOP know Ted Cruz isn’t highly favored by most people in the US – but the GOP wants him because he at least is controllable.
Ted Cruz would need their backing/funding to secure the nomination and win the election. …so Cruz will be subservient to them for his entire term …that is, if he even managed to win.
….which is unlikely at this point.
even if Ted Cruz did someone get the nomination…
….I doubt he could beat hillary, Cruz would have no idea what he’s up against til it’s too late. much like Romney didn’t seem to realize he needed to go after obama and when he finally did realize it he lost.
if Ted Cruz is anything like Romney and McCain… that is a pretty good sign that people shouldn’t want him as the nominee. unless of course the GOP want to lose another 8 yrs to the left.