Comments on: Jury nullification is defense strategy in Rasmieh Odeh trial (#Justice4Rasmea)

By: Milhouse

Milhouse — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:32:16 +0000

Every word of that comment is a lie, but even if it were true it would be irrelevant. The Israeli government is not on trial, and its alleged crimes aren’t relevant. The only relevant question is whether she was arrested and convicted, and the answer is yes. Even if she had been arrested in the USSR or the Third Reich she would have to disclose that, and she didn’t. End of discussion.

But for your information, Gitmo is legal, waterboarding is legal, military tribunals are legal, Israel has never stolen even one acre of land, and has never targeted a civilian. Every killing in the IDF’s history, and every demolition, has been lawful. The “International Court” has no jurisdiction, and is irrelevant.

By: Dean Olson

Dean Olson — Sun, 09 Nov 2014 06:13:16 +0000

The government prosecutors used the military verdict given her by Israel. What the judge would not allow was that she was tortured into confessing. Think Gitmo, recall water boarding. Realize she was swept up in Israeli dragnet, brought before a military tribunal.

None of the Gitmo prisoners could be brought into a civilian American court, because their case would be thrown out DUE TO TORTURE. Also, remember, Israel is the Occupier, has been since 1967, stealing land, killing thousands of civilians in Gaza, shooting dead teenage protestors, tearing down Palestinian homes. All illegal actions that hopefully one day will bring them before the International Court.

By: CalFed

CalFed — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:56:37 +0000

Question: Will her citizenship be revoked and her ass deported regardless of the outcome of the trial?

By: genes

genes — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:36:40 +0000

He means she’s a creation of Arafat after the Arabs lost the 67 war.

By: TB

TB — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:32:24 +0000

Also, couldn’t this be called contempt? I mean, they are going against the judge’s rulings. He laid the ground rules and they’re breaking them.

By: TB

TB — Fri, 07 Nov 2014 00:31:26 +0000

Sanctions.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:39:03 +0000

This brings up a point: You can’t strike Muslims from a jury pool for being Muslims when a Muslim is defendant. So we have the likelihood that we will have Muslims on a jury hearing a case considerably more forthright than fibbing on a government form.
Presume that Islamic solidarity trumps juror’s duty and we get juror null.
Then what. How many times would that have to happen before things get really bad, outside the purview of law enforcement?

By: EyeOnTerror

EyeOnTerror — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:30:28 +0000

Today the defense continued in its jury nullification strategy and the judge and prosecutor were even more lax than yesterday. The demonization and delegitimization of Israel was completed. So, defense scored big. In this case lying has been totally redefined, because she didn’t do it. Brother did and she couldn’t read it – on the visa application. On the naturalization application, she made the perfectly reasonable assumption that the questions only applied to her life in the US. So that explains when a lie is not a lie. Mission accomplished. Perhaps the prosecution will do something worthwhile tomorrow. Today they seemed like deer caught in headlights.

By: rancidpoodle

rancidpoodle — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:42:33 +0000

“Rasmea Odeh embodies the history of the Palestinian people.”

Is he saying that all Palestinians are lying, terrorist Bombers?

Well that’s kind of mean-spirited.

By: oldschooltwentysix

oldschooltwentysix — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:46:58 +0000

A quibble. She is actually charged in the indictment with lying on her naturalization application.

No question the basis of her deception was to procure immigration benefits, an immigrant visa, by fraud. She believed the truth would hurt her, so she decided to lie. It negates the good moral character requirement for citizenship.

In the case of an immigrant visa application this fraud would result in a denial and permanent bar from the US.

By: MIK

MIK — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:24:00 +0000

Ain’t up to the lawyer whether she testifies. There are four things that are up to a defendant — whether to plead guilty, whether to take an appeal, whether to waive a jury and whether to testify at trial. The bigger problem would be if she wanted to testify and the lawyer kept her off the stand.

By: Ragspierre

Ragspierre — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:19:23 +0000

Oh, no! I completely disagree.

She’s going to take the stand and tell a compelling, emotive story of being tortured by EEEEeeeevile Israeli agents. This left her so traumatized that she could not possibly tell the truth about her conviction in Israel, and who could blame her for doing anything possible to come to the haven of the U.S.?

That will be excellent stuff for the jury. We’ll see what the prosecutors will come back with, such as her bloody history as a terror supporter.

That will put the question right in the laps of the jury. Was she driven to lie? Was she a bad person?

That is how you do trial advocacy. You raise questions, and you tell the jury how to answer them.

By: platypus

platypus — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:49:07 +0000

The defense is setting up an incompetent counsel appeal. No defense attorney in his right mind would allow his client to testify unless it was a self-defense claim or something similar. Putting her on the stand almost guarantees that a skillful prosecutor will make her look like an unindicted co-conspirator of bin Ladin.

A justice denied castle is being built right in front of our eyes.

By: dmacleo

dmacleo — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:47:41 +0000

should be simple but….
question was arrested/convicted.
she said no.
she lied.

if someone else filled out (answered the questions) the paperwork she lied where she signed it saying it was true and she understood it.

By: RuthC

RuthC — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 16:17:49 +0000

Odeh will testify? I would love to see how she responds to questions to see if she has any regrets, any empathy for the victims etc. Has she reached out to the families of the innocent victims, has she repented and chosen a path of non-violence? Has she worked to build better relationships between Arabs and Jews?

By: Valerie

Valerie — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:11:07 +0000

I would like to see some of the choice bits of the Hamas Covenant quoted along with any pictures of these demonstrators that show up in the news or on the Net.

http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b_2.htm

Anybody who is interviewed that supports this person should be asked whether 1) he has read the Hamas Covenant, and 2) whether he supports the statements in that document (pick at random, there are many).

Those interested in contrast pieces might find space to quote from “A Common Word between us an You”
http://www.acommonword.com

which is the scholarly reply to Pope Benetict’s Regensburg address.
http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/papal-address-at-university-of-regensburg

It is time to educate the useful idiots.

By: Ragspierre

Ragspierre — Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:55:04 +0000

It’ll be an interesting trial to watch. I’m betting the judge maintains control of his trial and his courtroom.