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	<title>Comments on: Ferguson Police Begin to Equip with On-Body Cameras</title>
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		<title>By: heyjoojoo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 01:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s the latest with this Ferguson mess? All I see is all the anti-cop rhetoric on blogs, forums and youtube vids. 

Where are we in this whole thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the latest with this Ferguson mess? All I see is all the anti-cop rhetoric on blogs, forums and youtube vids. </p>
<p>Where are we in this whole thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Twanger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Twanger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a fan.
However, I think everyone should have the right to video what&#039;s going on to help protect their innocence.
Like carrying a gun, having a video rolling makes most people more polite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan.<br />
However, I think everyone should have the right to video what&#8217;s going on to help protect their innocence.<br />
Like carrying a gun, having a video rolling makes most people more polite.</p>
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		<title>By: clerk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clerk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have they prosecuted any television reporters yet?  Hopefully a few of those that covered the aftermath of the Zimmerman shooting are out in the street recording people in  MA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they prosecuted any television reporters yet?  Hopefully a few of those that covered the aftermath of the Zimmerman shooting are out in the street recording people in  MA.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elliott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that was for dashcams which do have an installation cost per vehicle. I don&#039;t think they had body cams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was for dashcams which do have an installation cost per vehicle. I don&#8217;t think they had body cams.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I previously read that the Ferguson Police Department already had the body cameras courtesy of a Federal grant (Maybe that is why the cameras cost $300). However, the grant did not include the cost of installation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I previously read that the Ferguson Police Department already had the body cameras courtesy of a Federal grant (Maybe that is why the cameras cost $300). However, the grant did not include the cost of installation.</p>
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		<title>By: randian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[randian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with loops is that they enable tampering. Just make sure that the required time elapses before letting IA get the camera and &quot;oops&quot;, it&#039;s all gone. Given the notable history of police &quot;losing&quot; camera footage when convenient I would not trust any camera system that wasn&#039;t always on and cannot be turned off or looped.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with loops is that they enable tampering. Just make sure that the required time elapses before letting IA get the camera and &#8220;oops&#8221;, it&#8217;s all gone. Given the notable history of police &#8220;losing&#8221; camera footage when convenient I would not trust any camera system that wasn&#8217;t always on and cannot be turned off or looped.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Leong</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny Leong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 10:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way such cameras works right now is seriously flawed. Police officers have to manually turn them on during each encounter with citizens. That could make them overcautious on what to say or do. Often times the verbal threats of overwhelming force is the best mean to control a situation. It creates even more incentive for the police to avoid tough neighborhoods, turning them into no-go zones run by thugs (as has happened many in UK cities). 

Officers might also fail to turn them on. The more urgent or expected a situation is, the more likely this will happen. Such failures would be interpreted as implicit admission of guilt for a jury. That&#039;s unfair. Especially so because abusive members of the police force will find ways around the system.

A scheme whereby the cameras work like cockpit voice recorders would be better in my opinion. They would just record continuously, overwriting previously recorded segments every 30 minutes until a serious incident occurs. Even then, the videos shouldn&#039;t be viewed unless a judge presiding on a case decides it&#039;s necessary. The existence of the tape alone should by itself keep witnesses honest. And when they honestly misremember things, finding out mid-trial is more useful as the jury will learn who has a tendency of stating the imagined as real.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way such cameras works right now is seriously flawed. Police officers have to manually turn them on during each encounter with citizens. That could make them overcautious on what to say or do. Often times the verbal threats of overwhelming force is the best mean to control a situation. It creates even more incentive for the police to avoid tough neighborhoods, turning them into no-go zones run by thugs (as has happened many in UK cities). </p>
<p>Officers might also fail to turn them on. The more urgent or expected a situation is, the more likely this will happen. Such failures would be interpreted as implicit admission of guilt for a jury. That&#8217;s unfair. Especially so because abusive members of the police force will find ways around the system.</p>
<p>A scheme whereby the cameras work like cockpit voice recorders would be better in my opinion. They would just record continuously, overwriting previously recorded segments every 30 minutes until a serious incident occurs. Even then, the videos shouldn&#8217;t be viewed unless a judge presiding on a case decides it&#8217;s necessary. The existence of the tape alone should by itself keep witnesses honest. And when they honestly misremember things, finding out mid-trial is more useful as the jury will learn who has a tendency of stating the imagined as real.</p>
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		<title>By: Gremlin1974</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gremlin1974]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had folks comment around were I live about how nice and professional the police seem to be compared to other places, we also don&#039;t seem to have a many...unfounded complaints against the police here.

I credit part of that being owed to the fact that in the Greater metro are all caps have dash-cams and body mics, its not wide spread knowledge but I helped a LEO buddy of mine adjust his one day when his body armor the mice and all the &quot;batman&quot; gear decided to work against him, hehe.

While I share Rags privacy concerns this is kind of a 2 way argument, the cameras protect you as well as the officer. Another point in favor of these devices, I am sure even one has run into a &quot;bad cop&quot; or one that really didn&#039;t need to be a cop with these devices it is a lot easier for administrations to fight the inevitable FOP backlash from firing a cop who needed it, throw out the video and the FOP tends to crawl away pretty quickly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had folks comment around were I live about how nice and professional the police seem to be compared to other places, we also don&#8217;t seem to have a many&#8230;unfounded complaints against the police here.</p>
<p>I credit part of that being owed to the fact that in the Greater metro are all caps have dash-cams and body mics, its not wide spread knowledge but I helped a LEO buddy of mine adjust his one day when his body armor the mice and all the &#8220;batman&#8221; gear decided to work against him, hehe.</p>
<p>While I share Rags privacy concerns this is kind of a 2 way argument, the cameras protect you as well as the officer. Another point in favor of these devices, I am sure even one has run into a &#8220;bad cop&#8221; or one that really didn&#8217;t need to be a cop with these devices it is a lot easier for administrations to fight the inevitable FOP backlash from firing a cop who needed it, throw out the video and the FOP tends to crawl away pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: JackRussellTerrierist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JackRussellTerrierist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gosh, I can&#039;t imagine why those fine people of Ferguson would object to the police recording their actions.  After all, many Fergusonites were at the ready with their little video devices when Michael Brown got shot.  I mean, what could they possibly be doing in a wide-open public place that they don&#039;t want recorded?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I can&#8217;t imagine why those fine people of Ferguson would object to the police recording their actions.  After all, many Fergusonites were at the ready with their little video devices when Michael Brown got shot.  I mean, what could they possibly be doing in a wide-open public place that they don&#8217;t want recorded?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Branca</title>
		<link>http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/09/ferguson-police-begin-to-equip-with-on-body-cameras/comment-page-1/#comment-538959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Branca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 02:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Frankly, hard to see any reason why lawful civilians wouldn’t be well-served by having their own version.&quot;

I feel obliged to note that there are some states, including my home state of MA, in which it requires the explicit permission of ALL parties recorded to make a public recording legal.  

Thus, routine on-body camera use by civilians (at least) would be prima facie unlawful, absent permission from every person recorded.

 And, yes, people are actually criminally prosecuted in MA for this.

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Frankly, hard to see any reason why lawful civilians wouldn’t be well-served by having their own version.&#8221;</p>
<p>I feel obliged to note that there are some states, including my home state of MA, in which it requires the explicit permission of ALL parties recorded to make a public recording legal.  </p>
<p>Thus, routine on-body camera use by civilians (at least) would be prima facie unlawful, absent permission from every person recorded.</p>
<p> And, yes, people are actually criminally prosecuted in MA for this.</p>
<p>&#8211;Andrew, @LawSelfDefense</p>
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		<title>By: Sanddog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanddog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 02:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are several manufacturers who make body cams for law enforcement and civilian use.  You&#039;ll pay between $100-$500 depending on the resolution, record time, size, etc... Before our local PD got a grant to purchase cameras for all officers, several of them purchased their own.  It&#039;s not a lot of money compared to your reputation and your future career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several manufacturers who make body cams for law enforcement and civilian use.  You&#8217;ll pay between $100-$500 depending on the resolution, record time, size, etc&#8230; Before our local PD got a grant to purchase cameras for all officers, several of them purchased their own.  It&#8217;s not a lot of money compared to your reputation and your future career.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Branca</title>
		<link>http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/09/ferguson-police-begin-to-equip-with-on-body-cameras/comment-page-1/#comment-538957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Branca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 02:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Press releases suggest these on-body cameras cost $300 each. Not to sound like an ass, but I charge more than that per billable HOUR--which is in line with other serious criminal defense attorneys. 

To my mind, that makes these cameras darned cheap. Frankly, hard to see any reason why lawful civilians wouldn&#039;t be well-served by having their own version.

--Andrew, @LawSelfDefense]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Press releases suggest these on-body cameras cost $300 each. Not to sound like an ass, but I charge more than that per billable HOUR&#8211;which is in line with other serious criminal defense attorneys. </p>
<p>To my mind, that makes these cameras darned cheap. Frankly, hard to see any reason why lawful civilians wouldn&#8217;t be well-served by having their own version.</p>
<p>&#8211;Andrew, @LawSelfDefense</p>
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		<title>By: Sanddog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanddog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every law enforcement officer and private security officer in the country should be wearing a body camera.  Upfront costs are actually pretty reasonable and it would save more than the purchase price in litigation expenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every law enforcement officer and private security officer in the country should be wearing a body camera.  Upfront costs are actually pretty reasonable and it would save more than the purchase price in litigation expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: genes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[genes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[False claims of brutality or misconduct usually get dropped when the complainant sees the vid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False claims of brutality or misconduct usually get dropped when the complainant sees the vid.</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin01</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Merlin01]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s one that you never hear either.  We don&#039;t want the police to be militarized so lets send in the MILITARY. Is it just me or is this the most ridiculous thing you have ever heard? 

As for cameras I&#039;m concerned that the media is more than willing to twist everything, including facts, into a racial bias against police. Shame on the media!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one that you never hear either.  We don&#8217;t want the police to be militarized so lets send in the MILITARY. Is it just me or is this the most ridiculous thing you have ever heard? </p>
<p>As for cameras I&#8217;m concerned that the media is more than willing to twist everything, including facts, into a racial bias against police. Shame on the media!</p>
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		<title>By: MouseTheLuckyDog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MouseTheLuckyDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 23:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard that when some LEOs showed up with body cams to help control the Ferguson riots, and people complained. Of course the same people
complain that police don&#039;t like to be recorded and that it should be legal to record police with or without their knowledge.

On top of that these same people were the ones that were complaining that at work it was discovered that the employer was keylogging, scanning their emails, recording sites they visit.

My beliefs are simple, police should record their actions. But the public should be give them some time to get used to the idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that when some LEOs showed up with body cams to help control the Ferguson riots, and people complained. Of course the same people<br />
complain that police don&#8217;t like to be recorded and that it should be legal to record police with or without their knowledge.</p>
<p>On top of that these same people were the ones that were complaining that at work it was discovered that the employer was keylogging, scanning their emails, recording sites they visit.</p>
<p>My beliefs are simple, police should record their actions. But the public should be give them some time to get used to the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ragspierre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 23:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Generally, more information is a good thing, and images are just information.

But information can also be used carelessly, and malignantly.  There are some privacy concerns that will have to be addressed in the near future respecting these cameras, and the recordings themselves will have to be tested in courts to establish standards to assure their admission admission of evidence, and not a fiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally, more information is a good thing, and images are just information.</p>
<p>But information can also be used carelessly, and malignantly.  There are some privacy concerns that will have to be addressed in the near future respecting these cameras, and the recordings themselves will have to be tested in courts to establish standards to assure their admission admission of evidence, and not a fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I imagine Rick Perry is glad they have those station-house cameras in Texas.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/08/rick-perrys-concealed-carry-permit-suspended/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine Rick Perry is glad they have those station-house cameras in Texas.<br />
<a href="http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/08/rick-perrys-concealed-carry-permit-suspended/" rel="nofollow">http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/08/rick-perrys-concealed-carry-permit-suspended/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jennifer a johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jennifer a johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Include AG Eric Holder, the DOJ and the IRS w/on-body cameras]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Include AG Eric Holder, the DOJ and the IRS w/on-body cameras</p>
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		<title>By: rabid wombat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rabid wombat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have had only one conversation with a law enforcement officer (Game Worden) about wearing a camera.  He was all for it.  He said it protected him more than put him at risk.  He said it showed more about civilian bad behavior than law enforcement misconduct.  I would guess any &quot;good&quot; law officer would be of the same thought.

Best,
Rabid]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had only one conversation with a law enforcement officer (Game Worden) about wearing a camera.  He was all for it.  He said it protected him more than put him at risk.  He said it showed more about civilian bad behavior than law enforcement misconduct.  I would guess any &#8220;good&#8221; law officer would be of the same thought.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Rabid</p>
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