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	<title>Comments on: ICYMI: It is Possible to Defame Jesse Ventura</title>
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		<title>By: OmegaPaladin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OmegaPaladin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2014 23:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My great-uncle was a UDT in WWII.  He wore a UDT cap with the same symbol as the SEALs, but he clarified the difference to me when I asked about it.  UDTs were specialists trained in removing / emplacing underwater obstacles, without the training in commando land warfare or paratroop operations.  Still brave, still very impressive, but not the same as SEa Air Land sailors.  Similarly, A paratrooper is different from a PJ, despite the fact that both jump into hostile territory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My great-uncle was a UDT in WWII.  He wore a UDT cap with the same symbol as the SEALs, but he clarified the difference to me when I asked about it.  UDTs were specialists trained in removing / emplacing underwater obstacles, without the training in commando land warfare or paratroop operations.  Still brave, still very impressive, but not the same as SEa Air Land sailors.  Similarly, A paratrooper is different from a PJ, despite the fact that both jump into hostile territory.</p>
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		<title>By: sequester</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sequester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2014 02:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hard to say what Kyle &quot;knew&quot; when he could not testify and be subjected to cross-examination. 

Actual malice depended on what was in Kyle&#039;s head and heart. The jury never got to hear Kyle&#039;s  testimony and evaluate it.  This is a case that should have died with Kyle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to say what Kyle &#8220;knew&#8221; when he could not testify and be subjected to cross-examination. </p>
<p>Actual malice depended on what was in Kyle&#8217;s head and heart. The jury never got to hear Kyle&#8217;s  testimony and evaluate it.  This is a case that should have died with Kyle.</p>
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		<title>By: BannedbytheGuardian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BannedbytheGuardian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Snipers  should never be,big mouths . It used to be their identities were heavily protected even within the army .  A few years ago a seemingly ordinary old man died &amp; at his funeral the military brass gave him a  head up . Apparently he was the very famous sniper from the a Korean War  that the enemy had given a  him his own code.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snipers  should never be,big mouths . It used to be their identities were heavily protected even within the army .  A few years ago a seemingly ordinary old man died &amp; at his funeral the military brass gave him a  head up . Apparently he was the very famous sniper from the a Korean War  that the enemy had given a  him his own code.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
		<link>http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/icymi-it-is-possible-to-defame-jesse-ventura/comment-page-1/#comment-531449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The jury considered all the evidence, and decided that the story wasn&#039;t true.  You have not considered all the evidence, or even most of it, so how can you think it likely that they were wrong?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jury considered all the evidence, and decided that the story wasn&#8217;t true.  You have not considered all the evidence, or even most of it, so how can you think it likely that they were wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The distinction between UDT and SEAL is no longer relevant.  UDT no longer exist as a separate unit, the remaining UDTs were folded into the SEALs, so nowadays we speak of them all as SEALs.  If you say UDT nobody knows what it means, until you explain that it means a predecessor to the SEALs, i.e. an early SEAL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The distinction between UDT and SEAL is no longer relevant.  UDT no longer exist as a separate unit, the remaining UDTs were folded into the SEALs, so nowadays we speak of them all as SEALs.  If you say UDT nobody knows what it means, until you explain that it means a predecessor to the SEALs, i.e. an early SEAL.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
		<link>http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/icymi-it-is-possible-to-defame-jesse-ventura/comment-page-1/#comment-531447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dead man was the slanderer.   That&#039;s what this case was about.   And now a jury has established the truth, that he was a slanderer, and deserves to be remembered as one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dead man was the slanderer.   That&#8217;s what this case was about.   And now a jury has established the truth, that he was a slanderer, and deserves to be remembered as one.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 07:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By claiming that he said more SEALs should be killed.  That would be a despicable thing for him to say, and it was despicable of Kyle to pretend that he said it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By claiming that he said more SEALs should be killed.  That would be a despicable thing for him to say, and it was despicable of Kyle to pretend that he said it.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your lie is &quot;he says he was a seal who saw combat&quot;.  He never claimed to have seen combat.   

And yes, he was a frogman, in what is now called the SEALs, though at the time it was called the Underwater Demolition Teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your lie is &#8220;he says he was a seal who saw combat&#8221;.  He never claimed to have seen combat.   </p>
<p>And yes, he was a frogman, in what is now called the SEALs, though at the time it was called the Underwater Demolition Teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 23:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that Ventura didn&#039;t have a (noticeable and remembered) mark on him the next morning means little.  A knockout punch (to the jaw especially) may not leave a discernible bruise.

I spoke with a buddy who happened to be at a nearby bar that night (another one frequented by SEALs).  And while he didn&#039;t witness whatever happened, many people came from McP&#039;s (the bar where the incident happened) talking about the incident.  Kyle&#039;s story is more likely.  



I hope Ventura enjoyed that reunion.  As he will absolutely get the shit kicked out of him if he ever shows his face at another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Ventura didn&#8217;t have a (noticeable and remembered) mark on him the next morning means little.  A knockout punch (to the jaw especially) may not leave a discernible bruise.</p>
<p>I spoke with a buddy who happened to be at a nearby bar that night (another one frequented by SEALs).  And while he didn&#8217;t witness whatever happened, many people came from McP&#8217;s (the bar where the incident happened) talking about the incident.  Kyle&#8217;s story is more likely.  </p>
<p>I hope Ventura enjoyed that reunion.  As he will absolutely get the shit kicked out of him if he ever shows his face at another.</p>
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		<title>By: PersonFromPorlock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PersonFromPorlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I am answered. But in that case it also appears that the poor widow isn&#039;t going to be reduced to begging by the roadside, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I am answered. But in that case it also appears that the poor widow isn&#8217;t going to be reduced to begging by the roadside, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amy Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. Kyle&#039;s widow and attorneys are currently considering their options.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Kyle&#8217;s widow and attorneys are currently considering their options.</p>
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		<title>By: genes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[genes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real brave to SLANDER a dead man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real brave to SLANDER a dead man.</p>
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		<title>By: genes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[genes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you damage the rep of a loudmouthed 9/11 truther and all around nutcase?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you damage the rep of a loudmouthed 9/11 truther and all around nutcase?</p>
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		<title>By: NC Mountain Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NC Mountain Girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can Jesse Ventura be slandered or libeled?  Yes, he can.  The real question is what his reputation is worth these days.  That is were I take issue with this decision.    

I am reminded of the Victorian era libel suit the artist James Abbot Whistler brought against art critic John Ruskin.  The testimony at that trial also conflicted and some  witnesses refused to testify,  but the jury did decide for Whistler. They also awarded him  exactly one farthing in  damages. That is less than a penny.   Whistler had to declare bankruptcy, in part because of his legal bills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Jesse Ventura be slandered or libeled?  Yes, he can.  The real question is what his reputation is worth these days.  That is were I take issue with this decision.    </p>
<p>I am reminded of the Victorian era libel suit the artist James Abbot Whistler brought against art critic John Ruskin.  The testimony at that trial also conflicted and some  witnesses refused to testify,  but the jury did decide for Whistler. They also awarded him  exactly one farthing in  damages. That is less than a penny.   Whistler had to declare bankruptcy, in part because of his legal bills.</p>
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		<title>By: genes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[genes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have a link that shows he was?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a link that shows he was?</p>
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		<title>By: gitarcarver</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The estimated profit to Kyle&#039;s estate was 6 - 8 million dollars.  That figure includes sales from the book as well as sale of the movie rights to the book which must also be factored into the equation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The estimated profit to Kyle&#8217;s estate was 6 &#8211; 8 million dollars.  That figure includes sales from the book as well as sale of the movie rights to the book which must also be factored into the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: genes</title>
		<link>http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/icymi-it-is-possible-to-defame-jesse-ventura/comment-page-1/#comment-531275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[genes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 17:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesse &quot;The Bully&quot; Ventura wished to clear up his reputation with his &quot;fellow&quot; SEALs. From what I&#039;ve seen his reputation among the SEALs has been cleared up. They believe Jesse &quot;The Bully&quot; Ventura to be a bully and Blue Falcon.
From what I have seen there is reason to believe Jesse &quot;The Bully&quot; Ventura was UDT and not a SEAL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse &#8220;The Bully&#8221; Ventura wished to clear up his reputation with his &#8220;fellow&#8221; SEALs. From what I&#8217;ve seen his reputation among the SEALs has been cleared up. They believe Jesse &#8220;The Bully&#8221; Ventura to be a bully and Blue Falcon.<br />
From what I have seen there is reason to believe Jesse &#8220;The Bully&#8221; Ventura was UDT and not a SEAL.</p>
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		<title>By: gitarcarver</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gitarcarver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May I suggest that people read one set of the legal briefs supplied by both sides of this case?   They can be found here:  http://www.scribd.com/doc/219635030/Jesse-Ventura-and-Taya-Kyle-s-Trial-Briefs

The briefs tell a different story and explain the standard for &quot;malice.&quot;  

Compelling to me in the arguments was the fact that the next day at a BUDS graduation ceremony, Ventura did not have a mark on his face.  One would think that a blow that would knock a person to the ground where allegedly hit his head on concrete would have left a mark of some type.  

Ventura did not sue Kyle&#039;s wife and kids.  Ventura sued Kyle&#039;s estate.  His wife is the executrix of that estate.  If the law firm of Dewey Cheatem and Howe was the executor of the estate, it would not have made a difference.  

Finally, Kyle&#039;s widow Tara did not appear in the court as far as I know.  The lawyers had made a motion to have the trial moved to Texas because she did not want to leave her children for what both sides thought would be a 10 day trial at most.  Because an insurance company is paying her legal fees, ($500,000) the estate is on the hook for $1.3 million.  I can&#039;t help but think that as a practical matter Tara Kyle could not have found someone to watch her children for $130,000 a day.  On the emotional side, I can&#039;t help but think that her presence in the court would have added a face to the Kyle side of the story.   Ventura was present in the court.  The estate lawyers had a table to defend.  Juries react in different ways to that type of thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest that people read one set of the legal briefs supplied by both sides of this case?   They can be found here:  <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/219635030/Jesse-Ventura-and-Taya-Kyle-s-Trial-Briefs" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/219635030/Jesse-Ventura-and-Taya-Kyle-s-Trial-Briefs</a></p>
<p>The briefs tell a different story and explain the standard for &#8220;malice.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Compelling to me in the arguments was the fact that the next day at a BUDS graduation ceremony, Ventura did not have a mark on his face.  One would think that a blow that would knock a person to the ground where allegedly hit his head on concrete would have left a mark of some type.  </p>
<p>Ventura did not sue Kyle&#8217;s wife and kids.  Ventura sued Kyle&#8217;s estate.  His wife is the executrix of that estate.  If the law firm of Dewey Cheatem and Howe was the executor of the estate, it would not have made a difference.  </p>
<p>Finally, Kyle&#8217;s widow Tara did not appear in the court as far as I know.  The lawyers had made a motion to have the trial moved to Texas because she did not want to leave her children for what both sides thought would be a 10 day trial at most.  Because an insurance company is paying her legal fees, ($500,000) the estate is on the hook for $1.3 million.  I can&#8217;t help but think that as a practical matter Tara Kyle could not have found someone to watch her children for $130,000 a day.  On the emotional side, I can&#8217;t help but think that her presence in the court would have added a face to the Kyle side of the story.   Ventura was present in the court.  The estate lawyers had a table to defend.  Juries react in different ways to that type of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The jury obviously found that Kyle&#039;s witnesses were damned liars, just like him.   

&lt;i&gt;and for the record, a non-seal with no combat experience (he says he was a seal who saw combat) &lt;/i&gt;

That is a lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jury obviously found that Kyle&#8217;s witnesses were damned liars, just like him.   </p>
<p><i>and for the record, a non-seal with no combat experience (he says he was a seal who saw combat) </i></p>
<p>That is a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you think so?]]></description>
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