Comments on: Will sensitivities trump historical facts in teaching about September 11 attacks?

By: Mr. Izz

Mr. Izz — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 04:18:32 +0000

You can’t say anything these days without someone getting upset or offended. If you upset or offend someone, then you will be forever targeted by entire groups for your comments.

By: randian

randian — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 00:21:53 +0000

I’d bet Elazabawy is lying. Sure, he doesn’t want to be *associated* with terrorism, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t *support* terrorism. It’s exactly what Muhammad did, and there’s ample precedent in Sharia that any Muslim who says that what Muhammad did was wrong or immoral is apostate, whom any Muslim may execute sua sponte. Unless, of course, you said it in defense of Islam, in which case it’s laudable.

By: Phillep Harding

Phillep Harding — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 00:09:42 +0000

What I’ve read as well (before internet, unfortunately). Loads of “Mexicans” did not care for being governed by the crooks in Mexico City.

By: gibbie

gibbie — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 23:28:24 +0000

Speaking of rewriting history:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2014/04/angela-davis-deliver-olin-lecture-april-25

By: rabid wombat

rabid wombat — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:03:43 +0000

Hi Rags,

You are absolutely correct. I apologize for my poor word choice.

Best,
Rabid

P.S. A lot from Tennessee, too

By: pst314

pst314 — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 18:05:27 +0000

If America were still a healthy and sane society, the universal reaction would be to tell the imam to “shut the **** up and get the f*** out of the USA.” Pickets outside his home and mosque would remind him of this every day. And New York would issue special licenses for street vendors to cook pork in those locations.

By: pst314

pst314 — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 18:01:27 +0000

Then please explain what you wrote: "they’ve killed more Christians over the centuries than any other group"

By: Immolate

Immolate — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:41:09 +0000

Hopefully not many. I would not count individual Catholics acting on their own volition and not motivated by religious differences among my “Catholics killing Christians” metrics.

By: Immolate

Immolate — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:34:04 +0000

Who said anything about Muslims discontinuing their murder of Christians? I clearly stated that Catholics left off doing it.

By: MarkS

MarkS — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:42:05 +0000

Excellent! The words from my mouth.

By: scooterjay

scooterjay — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:31:57 +0000

We are being pushed to confrontation. It is just a matter of time ’til it boils over into ugliness……and expect our government to seize the opportunity to declare martial law. They are within the gates of the city and that is the horrible truth. I’ll die fighting before sharia and dhimmitude.

By: scooterjay

scooterjay — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:15:36 +0000

How many Christians have been killed by the Catholics since 1875?

By: Observer

Observer — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:08:40 +0000

“The screening of this film in its present state would greatly offend our local Muslim believers as well as any foreign Muslim visitor to the museum,” wrote Sheikh Mostafa Elazabawy.
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The deliberate murder of nearly 3,000 of our fellow citizens, and the attempted murder of tens of thousands more, greatly offends Americans. That these murders and attempted murders were carried out on our soil by Muslim terrorists, for and in the name of Islam, is a fact, and one that we will never forget or deny or try to hide — no matter how much it offends Muslims to be reminded of it. So take your hurt feelings and stuff them in your turban, sheikh, and thank God or Allah or whatever devil you pray to that you’re still alive to have hurt feelings, unlike the thousands of innocent Americans brutally murdered by your fellow Muslims on 9/11/01.

By: irv

irv — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:51:07 +0000

This is not actually about the unintentional effect the truth might have on “unsophisticated” people. And it’s not about avoiding giving offense to genuinely good people who don’t want to be lumped in with evil.

This is about short-circuiting anything resembling an effective response to terrorism. It’s about shaming useful idiots into NOT making war against the guilty. It’s about turning enabling more attacks.

Tell them to shove it.

By: Ragspierre

Ragspierre — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:34:13 +0000

“…we won at San Jacinto…”

Yeah, Rabid, but “we” were “Texicans” and our number included a goodly contingent of Mexican patriots who were fighting alongside the Anglos to free Texas from the dictator Santa Anna.

I don’t care about anyone’s skin color or eye shape. I care about their brains, and if those think like mine regarding liberty and such. THOSE are “my people”.

By: rokiloki

rokiloki — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:23:54 +0000

A little background on the NYT’s story – the author contacted Robert Spencer about the terminology used by the museum. (Robert Spencer is a renowned expert on Islam.)

Not only did Robert point to the terrorist’s own words that the attacks were in the name of Islam, but also correctly pointed out that the memorial’s whole purpose is not to defend Islam but to present the truth of what happened that day.

The author chose not to use Robert’s opinions.

The email exchange can be read here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/04/muslims-enraged-over-al-qaeda-video-at-911-museum-museum-removes-mention-of-islamic-terrorism-from-its-website

By: janitor

janitor — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:23:52 +0000

Not only "not Muslim" but not Al Qaeda either, according to David Ray Griffin, "Emeritus Professor of Philosophy of Religion..." in Was America Attacked by Muslims on 9/11? Here's another slick revisionist website: Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil. I link to these because we should not underestimate the propaganda. Jomatham Tobin has a good article, The Myth at the Heart of the 9/11 Museum Film Backlash.

By: Juba Doobai!

Juba Doobai! — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:11:06 +0000

This is because, in the Islamic world view, as long as you’re outside the dar ul Islam, they have a lawful right to kill you. You have no standing or right to object. You should expect no apologies. You should expect no blaming of Islam, the Koran, the Hadiths, or the blasted pedophile Mohammed, piss be upon him. Your job is this: accept Islamic dawa/preaching. If you reject that, pay jizya/dhimmi tax. If you reject that, shut up and let them kill you.

All Muslims are in the dar ul Islam. We who reject Islam are in the dar ul Harb, the house of war. That means we are open game. We, our parents, our children, our dogs, and our cats. They have nothing for which to apologize.

The sooner Americans learn that, ruminate upon it, digest it, and formulate policy based on the understanding of that, life will be much better for us.

By: Juba Doobai!

Juba Doobai! — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:04:40 +0000

Brian, “I admire and respect that the imam of a Manhattan mosque wants to dissociate himself and his fellow faithful from the attackers who carried out the 9/11 attacks,” you’re making me gag.

Tell me you’re not naive enough to actually believe what you wrote here.

Does somebody have to hit you over the head so a Koran for you to understand that you do not trust what Muslims say, especially when they say it in English?

If the imam were being honest, he would acknowledge that his fellow Muslims slaughtered 3,000 Americans instead of trying to engage in a whitewash. He is not interested in truth; he is engaged in Islamic triumphalism: kill them, build upon the site of the slaughter, and ram it down their throats by preventing them from blaming Muslims.

You really need to find something genuine to respect and admire, dude.

By: Roy Rogers

Roy Rogers — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:58:48 +0000

It’s been almost 13 years, and I still have not seen Islam do anything to denounce or stop the terror attacks.

No face time on national media…

No posters print ads or broadcast commercials

No international Islamic peace conferences…

Nada Zip Nothing…